Ranking Gene Tunney over Ezzard Charles at light-heavyweight: Can it be justified?

[IronDanHamza]

Upon further investigation and study, i have seen your reason. I went and totally redid my lsit from scrathc. it looks ab it differetn now

1.) Charles
2.) Tunney
3.) Moore
4.) Foster
5.) Conn
6.) Spinks
7.) Loughran
8.) Saad Muhammad
9.) Rosenbloom
10.) Greb


now its
1.) Charles
2.) Tunney
3.) Moore
4.) Foster
5.) Conn
6.) Spinks
7.) Johnson
8.) Rosenbloom
9.) Loughran
10.) Saad Muhammad

Much better

I think Foster H2H is one of the best LHW's ever but I don't think his resume is too strong. Especially not compared to Johnson's, for example.

I mean;

Moore
Lytell
Pastrano
Charles*
Bivins*

Wow. And that's just the stand out wins.

Without the long list of solid/good wins over Top ranked opposition which I mentioned earlier along with Bob Satterfield, Henry Hank, Doug Jones and many others. The list goes on for quite a while.

Harold Johnson is truley one of the most underrated fighters in history.

[GJC]

Upon further investigation and study, i have seen your reason. I went and totally redid my lsit from scrathc. it looks ab it differetn now

1.) Charles
2.) Tunney
3.) Moore
4.) Foster
5.) Conn
6.) Spinks
7.) Loughran
8.) Saad Muhammad
9.) Rosenbloom
10.) Greb


now its
1.) Charles
2.) Tunney
3.) Moore
4.) Foster
5.) Conn
6.) Spinks
7.) Johnson
8.) Rosenbloom
9.) Loughran
10.) Saad Muhammad

Have another look at Greb's LHW resume DT think you might find you cut the wrong fighter for Harold. He's got wins over 3 of your top ten and if you expanded your list down to 20 and started considering fighters like Dillon, Gibbons, Norfolk, Levinsky he beat them too. Oh and don't forget Mctigue another world champion albeit not a great one IMO. Resume wise at light heavy he has a strong shout for number 1.

[DarkTerror88]

Have another look at Greb's LHW resume DT think you might find you cut the wrong fighter for Harold. He's got wins over 3 of your top ten and if you expanded your list down to 20 and started considering fighters like Dillon, Gibbons, Norfolk, Levinsky he beat them too. Oh and don't forget Mctigue another world champion albeit not a great one IMO. Resume wise at light heavy he has a strong shout for number 1.

I'm against rating fighters in two separate weight classes. I have greb as the number one middleweight. I choose that as his best weight and rank him there.
My only exception(as of now) is having Robinson in both MW and WW lists. However he is also my number one p4p.


Let's just put it this way, I'm a complicated guy, but I compile my lists and rankings through logic and reason. I think I make a pretty good account for myself in terms being fairly well respected for my opinions.

[GJC]

I think I make a pretty good account for myself in terms being fairly well respected for my opinions.

I would imagine you are more than fairly well respected by the majority I would hope you are very well respected, you have my highest respect DT. No problem with you keeping Greb to MW, the only reason I thought I'd throw some support Harry's way was you did have him on your original
List so I thought you'd dropped him rather than re categorised him.

[McGoorty]

With Gene Tunney's wins over Greb, Carpentier and Loughran I think (experts correct me if I'm wrong) do you think its justified to rank Tunney over Charles at Light-heavyweight, or is Ezzard Charles the undisuted King? ( I rank Langford at middleweight)

Nothing undisputed about #1 LHW seeing as though neither ever held the title. My #1, (at the moment) is the Mongoose. All three are famous as "uncrowned" LHW champions, yes Moore was considered for years as that before he finally got the belt, then even at that age he totally dominated the division for the best part of a decade. I think Tunney maybe should have had a shot at it before going up for Dempsey, but Moore left nobody in doubt as to being the real #1. I think dominating and defending the undisputed title is every bit as impressive as his resume of opponents.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Archie Moore left Aussies in no doubt that here was a future ATG the moment he got off the canvas against the incredibly frightening Ron Richards and then outclass and pound the Aboriginal champion for two great victories way back in 1940.... Moore's career is very extensive and he is the all-time KO king of boxing history, he was a menange (i apologise for the attempt at French) of very subtle skills and raw power, he was the complete ring master.