Dempsey vs. Marciano

[travestyny]

I don’t look at whether a fighter is white or black or any color inbetween. My sole intent, which should be ever logically thinking persons intent, is to portray history as it was. NOT as one would like it to be. The only way to do so is by understanding the entire history and not just snippets. Snippets almost always lead to invalid conclusions. Secondly one must be able to envision that history in the mindset of those who lived it. Too many make the huge error of looking at past events through today’s eyes

I don't disagree with you here, but you have been dismissive of the key facts that would allow someone to assess the entire situation.

Most of the time I find your posts to be well thought out and fair. However, when it comes to any criticism of Dempsey, you are incapable of being rational.

The fact of the matter is that, like one of the posters mentioned here, we didn't get to see Dempsey vs. some of his noteworthy contemporaries, mainly Harry Wills. And there are undeniable facts that you refuse to accept.

You have said that the reasons for this is the times and no promoter being willing to put it on. While that was certainly true at some points in time, that was NOT always the case.

As was previously posted here, the public demanded the Dempsey Wills fight. So that takes away the argument about the times.

Also, as previously posted here, there in fact was a promoter that was willing to put this fight on. A promoter that had a valid contract, that lived up to the contract, and was ready to get the thing going. Dempsey backed out of the valid contract.

Once you realize those facts, you can't blame the fight not happening on anyone or anything besides Dempsey. You keep insisting we need his in court testimony. I've provided you with a statement from Dempsey about this specific situation, being that he believed there was no valid contract. He was proven wrong. The court in their synapsis also made it clear that it was Dempsey's contention that there was no valid contract. So we know what his defense was. You refuse to accept that.

And his defense made no sense. Saying he was to receive $125,000 on the very date that he signed the contract and accepted $10 is asinine. Who accepts $10 on the day they claim they were due $125,000 and signs on the dotted line. If my math is correct, that would mean he signed a contract while knowingly being $124,990 short!!! If you can explain that, I'm all ears.

Again, just because he was a great champion and clearly a hero of yours does not put him above criticism. The facts speak for themselves, and it's clear that you can't handle the truth.

And this has nothing to do with any racial agenda of mine, as you've accused me of multiple times. Nor does it have anything to do with your pompous attitude of claiming to know so much more about boxing history than anyone else. It's only about the facts. Facts that I have backed up over and over again.

[travestyny]

He just wants to talk at people. I'm not even sure why he responded to you.

Just more trolling. Wish some of these guys would go play in traffic instead!

[HOUDINI563]

I’ve known all about Dempsey Wills for thirty years. You have brought nothing new to the table. Don’t come into a discussion about a very well understood subject cherry picking short points from a very long history and expect to be looked upon as credible. State the entire time line which in the end produces the truth.

[travestyny]

I’ve known all about Dempsey Wills for thirty years. You have brought nothing new to the table. Don’t come into a discussion about a very well understood subject cherry picking short points from a very long history and expect to be looked upon as credible. State the entire time line which in the end produces the truth.

Ok, liar. Then let's get to the bottom of it.

Tell me why Dempsey ducked out of that valid contract. Let's see what you know.

You're so see through. You didn't know shlt about this, and that's why you were left scrambling searching the net for articles that couldn't even help you to support your agenda

[travestyny]

That same promotor broke the previous contract to make the bout by handing Dempsey a check that bounced.

Seems like you didn't know fvvck all about this situation since you are here claiming it was the same promoter. So was it the same promoter or not, you liar.

[Lomadeaux]

i can't give too much credit to the white guys who only fought other white guys. Not compared to marciano, who defeated much better competition than dempsey ever faced, excepting tunney....another white guy who only fought white guys.

White heavyweights have never been good. Never. Except for marciano.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

[HOUDINI563]

The only liar is you. Presenting cherry picked information in a effort to paint a false picture of history is lying. You are either purposely ignoring 98% of the history or completely ignorant of it. Which is it?

[travestyny]

The only liar is you. Presenting cherry picked information in a effort to paint a false picture of history is lying. You are either purposely ignoring 98% of the history or completely ignorant of it. Which is it?

Then let's piece it together, Houdini. Between the two of us, we can get to the bottom of it. Especially since you are all knowing when it comes to boxing history.

First, was it the same promoter as you claimed, or were you, the all knowing, somehow wrong? After that, let's move to the finer details.

You down?

[Zmerai Khan]

But by the way, are you sure of this?


Do you remember what the last black man that fought Dempsey did to him? Broke three of his ribs...and even Dempsey says he lost, though he got what some called a gift draw.

Maybe that public wanted Wills to break three more of those ribs, and maybe that's why Dempsey didn't want it. Just something for you to ponder

Stopped reading, but didn't stop replying.... how fitting a conflict for such a conflicted little man.

[travestyny]

Stopped reading, but didn't stop replying.... how fitting a conflict for such a conflicted little man.

So did you decide if the public just wanted another black dude to crack Dempsey's ribs? Is that why he refused to fight another black fighter thereafter?