"What's my name?" Ernie terrel got what he deserved from Muhammad Ali

[SABBATH]

Way to pick out one specific word out of a post that was more of an example, like always. My point wasn't Chuvalo in specific(Plenty of other fighters i could've mentioned), everybody knows that Ali HAD to use his little tricks. It isn't about feelings, it is the fact that Ali felt like he couldn't win unless he ****ed the guys head up.

And way to yet again post something ridiculous with no factual basis.

"Ali felt he couldnt win unless he ****ed the guys head up" How the **** do you know how Ali felt?

Terrell disrespected Ali's religion by refusing to call him by his ****** name. Punished.

Ditto for Patterson who called Ali Clay and also said "I'm going to bring the title back to America," as if Ali suddenly wasn't an American. Punished.

The rest of the **** was all about show and building the gate. Do you really think Foreman, Holmes and Shavers cared about being called The Mummy, Peanut Head or Acorn? Do you really think that was geared towards ****ing their head's up?

[Brassangel]

Does anybody know where Terrell, or Patterson stood religiously?

I ask because if they were truly conservative Christians, for example, respecting a religion that resides in direct contradiction to the God of the Bible--in this case, Islam--is just like saying to God that a person is willing to pay homage to someone else. This is, of course, for those who know, a critical breaking of the first commandment, and therefore a breaking of the others by association. Those details are better left generalized given that this is a boxing thread. If anyone has questions, however, feel free to let me know!

Back to the point...

It is not good cause for a Christian to pay respect to something which defiles the message of God; a Christian should, however, call the man by the name he wishes to be called, but not because of a religious movement.

Again, this only applies if Patterson and/or Terrell were actually practicing Christians.

Just a little something to chew on.

[SABBATH]

Does anybody know where Terrell, or Patterson stood religiously?

"...I have the right to call the Black ******s a menace to the United States and a menace to the Negro race. I have the right to say the Black ******s stink. I am a Roman Catholic...Cassius Clay is disgracing himself and the Negro race...I have nothing but contempt for the Black ******s and that for which they stand. The image of a Black ****** as the world heavyweight champion disgraces the sport and the nation. Cassius Clay must be beaten and the Black ******'s scourge removed from boxing."

-Floyd Patterson
Sports Illustrated
October 14, 1965

No wonder Ali wanted to punish him. I shed no tears for Floyd.

[butterfly1964]

Does anybody know where Terrell, or Patterson stood religiously?

I ask because if they were truly conservative Christians, for example, respecting a religion that resides in direct contradiction to the God of the Bible--in this case, Islam--is just like saying to God that a person is willing to pay homage to someone else. This is, of course, for those who know, a critical breaking of the first commandment, and therefore a breaking of the others by association. Those details are better left generalized given that this is a boxing thread. If anyone has questions, however, feel free to let me know!

Back to the point...

It is not good cause for a Christian to pay respect to something which defiles the message of God; a Christian should, however, call the man by the name he wishes to be called, but not because of a religious movement.

Again, this only applies if Patterson and/or Terrell were actually practicing Christians.

Just a little something to chew on.

Not true. You should call someone by the name they want to be called, period. It doesn't matter if it's for religious reasons contradictory to your own. I'm a Christian, and I don't believe in Ali's religion, but I do respect his decision to change his name and who am I to tell someone what their name really is? It's their choice, not mine.

[butterfly1964]

"...I have the right to call the Black ******s a menace to the United States and a menace to the Negro race. I have the right to say the Black ******s stink. I am a Roman Catholic...Cassius Clay is disgracing himself and the Negro race...I have nothing but contempt for the Black ******s and that for which they stand. The image of a Black ****** as the world heavyweight champion disgraces the sport and the nation. Cassius Clay must be beaten and the Black ******'s scourge removed from boxing."

-Floyd Patterson
Sports Illustrated
October 14, 1965

No wonder Ali wanted to punish him. I shed no tears for Floyd.

Also, he said this.

I didn't just want to win the title back for the black. I wanted to win the title back for the black, the white, the blue, the red, and the pink!

It looks like Floyd isn't quite the nice quiet man everyone thinks he is.

[BKM-]

I am a Christian, and if i had to call a former Christian by his new ****** name out of respect for his religion, i don't think i would. Mind you that Muhammad Ali insulted the Christian religion aswell.

[BKM-]

And way to yet again post something ridiculous with no factual basis.

"Ali felt he couldnt win unless he ****ed the guys head up" How the **** do you know how Ali felt?

Terrell disrespected Ali's religion by refusing to call him by his ****** name. Punished.

Ditto for Patterson who called Ali Clay and also said "I'm going to bring the title back to America," as if Ali suddenly wasn't an American. Punished.

The rest of the **** was all about show and building the gate. Do you really think Foreman, Holmes and Shavers cared about being called The Mummy, Peanut Head or Acorn? Do you really think that was geared towards ****ing their head's up?

First of all, i never claimed Ali had to use this tactic to win, or how he felt. Like i said earlier ''Either he was an ******* to his fighters, or he felt like he couldn't win without mind games'' it's speculation from my point, and i would like to know this myself. You and i both know it wasn't all about show and building the gate. Some of his opponents were beaten before the bell rang. I don't care about a fighters feelings like that, why should i care. It is simply strange that the man who always claimed to be the ''Greatest'' couldn't let his fists alone speak.

[butterfly1964]

I am a Christian, and if i had to call a former Christian by his new ****** name out of respect for his religion, i don't think i would. Mind you that Muhammad Ali insulted the Christian religion aswell.

No, not out of respect for his religion, but out of respect for the man himself.

[butterfly1964]

First of all, i never claimed Ali had to use this tactic to win, or how he felt. Like i said earlier ''Either he was an ******* to his fighters, or he felt like he couldn't win without mind games'' it's speculation from my point, and i would like to know this myself. You and i both know it wasn't all about show and building the gate. Some of his opponents were beaten before the bell rang. I don't care about a fighters feelings like that, why should i care. It is simply strange that the man who always claimed to be the ''Greatest'' couldn't let his fists alone speak.

That's what made him so great, he was a master of the mental aspect as well as the physical aspect.

[Brassangel]

Respecting a man's name for the sake of a name is fine; out of respect to the religion, it's not. I even made that pretty clear in my post.

Just for the record, Roman Catholicism is entirely different from Biblical Christianity; the separation from scripture taken by the Catholic church, as well as their domineering persecution of those who opposed the (heretical) Papacy was a key reason for the start of the reformation, and the subsequent movements to America.

Thanks for clarifying Patterson's stand, SABBATH. He did say hurtful things about Ali directly, which isn't okay in anybody's book. It's not like Ali was very nice to his opponents, either, however.

@butterfly: As a Christian, you should be aware that turning the other cheek, as well as understanding that vengeance doesn't belong to us, should make Ali's remarks and actions unsettling for you.