"What's my name?" Ernie terrel got what he deserved from Muhammad Ali

[butterfly1964]

Frazier would pin that dancing fairy on the ropes and beat the hell out of him. 60's Ali threw nothing but pitty pat punches.

Tell that to Cleveland Williams.

[butterfly1964]

Round 8 - The "What's my name?" Round!

[BKM-]

Really idiot? Now you say he had no chance, but in 1966, everyone was talking about how Terrell could beat him, and even Terrell was mouthing off saying that Ali was afraid of him. Many people even said that Terrell had a better jab than Ali. I don't remember what the gate for that fight was, but it was huge. Well, you know what happened when they got into the ring, now didn't you?

Anyway, I wonder what would happen if Frazier and Norton couldn't take advantage of a rusty, depleted Ali and had to have fought Ali in his prime? They would have been in for a long night, especilly Norton.

Ali was an "*******" because they were the *******s first. If Terrell wasn't calling him Clay, then the whole thing wouldn't have happened. You can blame Terrell for the whole predicament.

I know you hate Ali because everyone thinks he would beat Tyson Yaman, but don't hate the player, hate the game.

It was obvious that Ali was the better fighter in the ring. What does the fact that Ali's millions of haters thought that Terrel would beat him at the time, have to do with it? Nothing, Buttfly. The fact is that Terrel had no chance from the beginning, as you could see if you watch the fight. And i was giving an example that Frazier or Norton could not be ****ed around like that, as opposed to Terrel. Saying ''whats my name'''to Frazier would result into a Left from Philly. Can't read can ya?

''Ali was an "*******" because they were the *******s first.'' Really? Was Frazier the one that betrayed Ali or stabbed his back? LOL. Did Foreman or Liston or Chuvalo etc etc etc(The list is too big if you ask me) degrade his image before he tried to play mind games? Slap yourself for that comment.
And i'll just ignore your other excuses and that you still call me a hater.
Pretty Ironic that Ali has asked for forgiveness to all of the fighters he insulted, that pretty much sums up his need for mind games to win.

[butterfly1964]

It was obvious that Ali was the better fighter in the ring. What does the fact that Ali's millions of haters thought that Terrel would beat him at the time, have to do with it? Nothing, Buttfly. The fact is that Terrel had no chance from the beginning, as you could see if you watch the fight. And i was giving an example that Frazier or Norton could not be ****ed around like that, as opposed to Terrel. Saying ''whats my name'''to Frazier would result into a Left from Philly. Can't read can ya?

''Ali was an "*******" because they were the *******s first.'' Really? Was Frazier the one that betrayed Ali or stabbed his back? LOL. Did Foreman or Liston or Chuvalo etc etc etc(The list is too big if you ask me) degrade his image before he tried to play mind games? Slap yourself for that comment.
And i'll just ignore your other excuses and that you still call me a hater.
Pretty Ironic that Ali has asked for forgiveness to all of the fighters he insulted, that pretty much sums up his need for mind games to win.

It was obvious that Terrell had no chance? Terrell at that time was the best fighter in the world besides Ali, and he was 6'-6" with a very good jab. All the tools needed to beat someone with the style of Ali.

Frazier would not have beaten a prime Ali. Watch the Buster Mathis fight. A 245lb. tub of lard was easily outboxing Frazier up until he landed the ko punch. Ali would have done worse. Norton looked terrible when Ali was moving. A prime Ali moved all the time, therefore Norton losses badly at Ali's peak.

Mind games? So I guess it was mind games that cut up Sonny Liston's face, huh? I guess it was mind games that left Cleveland Williams face and body crumbled on the canvas in a bloody pulp. I guess it was mind games that left Zora Folley dazed and confused. I guess it was mind games that left Frazier's face disfigured and distorted. Yeah, those must have been some really good mind games, idiot.

[BKM-]

It was obvious that Terrell had no chance? Terrell at that time was the best fighter in the world besides Ali, and he was 6'-6" with a very good jab. All the tools needed to beat someone with the style of Ali.

Frazier would not have beaten a prime Ali. Watch the Buster Mathis fight. A 245lb. tub of lard was easily outboxing Frazier up until he landed the ko punch. Ali would have done worse. Norton looked terrible when Ali was moving. A prime Ali moved all the time, therefore Norton losses badly at Ali's peak.

Mind games? So I guess it was mind games that cut up Sonny Liston's face, huh? I guess it was mind games that left Cleveland Williams face and body crumbled on the canvas in a bloody pulp. I guess it was mind games that left Zora Folley dazed and confused. I guess it was mind games that left Frazier's face disfigured and distorted. Yeah, those must have been some really good mind games, idiot.

I must have been wrong when i thought you say every Ali fight possible, Buttfly. Again, it was obvious that Terrel had no chance. What's so hard to understand about that? Haven't you seen the fight? You jerked off so much to his fights that you probably forgot counting You can't grasp my point, my point was that Terrel didn't stand a chance, and Ali could have ko'd him at any point. Therefor it would have been diffirent with Frazier or Norton etc. You still don't get it? Don't even bother then.

[SABBATH]

Was Frazier the one that betrayed Ali or stabbed his back? LOL. Did Foreman or Liston or Chuvalo etc etc etc(The list is too big if you ask me) degrade his image before he tried to play mind games?

Chuvalo started the war of words making fun of Ali for having small biceps and goading him calling him "Popeye" and "Cautious Clay". I've spoken to Chuvalo personally and he holds Ali in the highest regard and was quick to point out that he (Chuvalo) did most of the talking especially before their second fight, and it was all about building interest in the fight. It's part of the business.

As for what is said during a fight Chuvalo (like other Ali opponents, Terrell included) told me that he never heard a single thing Ali said as he was too focused on fighting and the noise of the crowd also made it difficult to hear.

It's a fight for ****'s sake. Ali's supposed to be sensitive to the other guy's 'feelings' now?

[butterfly1964]

I must have been wrong when i thought you say every Ali fight possible, Buttfly. Again, it was obvious that Terrel had no chance. What's so hard to understand about that? Haven't you seen the fight? You jerked off so much to his fights that you probably forgot counting You can't grasp my point, my point was that Terrel didn't stand a chance, and Ali could have ko'd him at any point. Therefor it would have been diffirent with Frazier or Norton etc. You still don't get it? Don't even bother then.

It looked as if you were trying to say that Terrell was some sort of bum, and that's the only reason why Ali did well against him.

[butterfly1964]

Chuvalo started the war of words making fun of Ali for having small biceps and goading him calling him "Popeye" and "Cautious Clay". I've spoken to Chuvalo personally and he holds Ali in the highest regard and was quick to point out that he (Chuvalo) did most of the talking especially before their second fight. As for what is said during a fight Chuvalo (like other Ali opponents, Terrell included) told me that he never heard a single thing Ali said as he was too focused on fighting and the noise of the crowd also made it difficult to hear.

It's a fight for ****'s sake. Ali's supposed to be sensitive to the other guy's 'feelings' now?

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[BKM-]

Chuvalo started the war of words making fun of Ali for having small biceps and goading him calling him "Popeye" and "Cautious Clay". I've spoken to Chuvalo personally and he holds Ali in the highest regard and was quick to point out that he (Chuvalo) did most of the talking especially before their second fight, and it was all about building interest in the fight. It's part of the business.

As for what is said during a fight Chuvalo (like other Ali opponents, Terrell included) told me that he never heard a single thing Ali said as he was too focused on fighting and the noise of the crowd also made it difficult to hear.

It's a fight for ****'s sake. Ali's supposed to be sensitive to the other guy's 'feelings' now?

Way to pick out one specific word out of a post that was more of an example, like always. My point wasn't Chuvalo in specific(Plenty of other fighters i could've mentioned), everybody knows that Ali HAD to use his little tricks. It isn't about feelings, it is the fact that Ali felt like he couldn't win unless he ****ed the guys head up.

[ROSEWOOD]

When Ali pummeled Ernie Terrel into submission in 1967, the press was attacking Ali for what he did. And in addition to the whole Vietnam thing, Ali was made out to be some kind of heartless monster.

But the fact is that before the fight Terrel refused to call Ali by his name. He insisted on calling him Cassius Clay, when in fact most people called him by his newly acquired ****** name. Even the fightcards called him Ali! What Terrel did was wrong, and he disrespected and humiliated not only Ali, but all ******s. Ali afterwards told him and the press that he was going to punish him mercilessly and make him say his real name. In that case, criticizing him after the fight doesn't make sense, since he said he was going to do it anyway. What the press should have been talking about was the multiple fouls Terrel committed during the fight. He was hitting him behind the head (rabbit punching), holding him and hitting him at the same time, and hitting him on the break all illegal and subject to the deduction of points. In and interview with Howard Cosell on ABC not long after the fight, Muhammad Ali apologized for talking to Terrel throughout the fight, and saying "what's my name" then hitting him. However he said he did it so Terrel and other people would respect his religious beliefs. Terrel ended up saying "Muhammad Ali", and rightfully so.

The bottom line is that Ernie Terrel got what was coming to him in my opinion. What do you think?

You are damn right....Terrel disrespected Ali, not only to his face but to the world...And in front of world he made that fool pay....He could have killed that fool if he wanted too....

The same goes for Patterson...he disrespected Ali and paid dearly for it..