Were does Pacquaio rank among the ATG punchers?

[Barn]

his left cross is probable the 3rd best single punch ever after holmes jab and roy's left hook

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[McGoorty]

lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Welsh Jon]

Well I can pretty easily name 20 harder punchers than him.

Louis, Langford, Ketchel, Saddler, Hearns, Jackson, Moore, Marciano, Wilde, Dempsey, Foreman, Shavers, Liston, Tyson, Robinson, Graziano, Baer, Foster, Fitzsimmons, & Zarate all P4P punched harder than him imo.

There's 20, and there quite a few more.

I'd say he's around the late 30, mid 40 range.

There's a lot of heavyweights on that list. It is a pound for pound list, not simply who puncvhes harder.

Manny took his power up through the weight divisions with him, so you can argueably rank him higher than a lot of guys you menetioned.

Ranking pound for pound punching power is virtually impossible, but I'd happily have Manny in a top 20 list.

[jabsRstiff]

He was a huge puncher at the lighter weights, and has shown hurtful power 25-30lbs higher. He's definitely an all-time great puncher.

SCtrojans' comment about his left cross, however.....exaggerration.

[McGoorty]

He was a huge puncher at the lighter weights, and has shown hurtful power 25-30lbs higher. He's definitely an all-time great puncher.

SCtrojans' comment about his left cross, however.....exaggerration.

Yes, he is fond of vast exaggeration is Pepe, and I agree with all of the above, and I prefer the lighter divisions up to MW because I like fighters who can go at full pelt for the entire distance,...... Most of the bigger guys seem to be sluggish, even some guys under MW, and Pacman is just the guy to point out just how little they know. Manny is simply a freak compared to others,.... Floyd is great, but win or lose against Pacman, Manny is the greater p4p, and there's more titles to come. Hopefully he will try to unify a weight division, and fight the best available, just like Marciano did.

[New England]

I really don't know how you can be so adamant about that,.... How do you say that about a Flyweight who destroys WW's and even junior middles,,.. it's a lot more impressive than a HW knocking out a fellow HW, or am I Mad ????........ There is definately a case for Pacquiao in at least vthe top 20,... but really you can't compare littl'uns to bigguns,.... and there is a case for the LW division as the real all-time Deepest division,.... lets face it, there are 5 times as many ATG Lw's than HW's,.... put your top 50 up here ASAP, you may find the task impossible.

good post

and i'll say that dempsey, marciano both had to wear guys down
or at least get them exactly where they needed to be

and they were HW. lennox lewis is a much bigger puncher in purely HW terms (if you consider that they are about 40-60 lbs smaller, p4p it gets closer)
but the HW division isn't in p4p terms
they are HW compared to other HW. not big punchers in historic terms. sonny liston was a big puncher. joe louis was a big puncher. dempsey and marciano are on a lower tier in my opinion.

and they don't compare to a former flyweight world champ with a clean one punch knockout over the lineal jr WW champion (and future HOFER)
a stoppage over miguel cotto
the hardest puncher josh clottey ever faced in his own words (i know he didn't show up for that fight, but clottey was known to weigh 165 plus for WW fights and had a very good chin)
breaking the face of antonio margarito (and a responsible ref or corner would have stopped that fight "LIVELY, you bastard !" - robert garcia)
knocking down shane mosley's corpse (who can still take a good punch, and had only even been hurt by one man, vernon forrest a dangerous right handed puncher and true WW)

"gradually reconfiguring de la hoya's beautiful face"



tellme
could carlos Zarate do that?


we'll have to wait until manny retires

and no flyweight champion comes along to move to WW and knock guys out (and HURT THEM with one punch)
and still behave like a destroyer

then maybe we'll give him whatever credit he deserves


i wouldn't be ashamed at all to put him on the list with any puncher who has ever lived

if you're forgetting, some of you guys out there, go re-watch the cotto, margarito, hatton, and de la hoya fights


that guy started his career at 106 lbs ^^


manny has an ATG punch and chin. it would be better if he was ATG at getting out of the way of punches
but he really isn't (look at his face after some of those fights other than shane,) and you need a hell of a chin being so naturally small taking punches from such big guys.

the way he took miguel cotto's best punches erased all doubts in my mind about him. i haunt bet against him since, and will not until he fights floyd mayweather, when i'll be putting a little something on mayweather if i can get close to even odds or better

he's gotta get back on the straight and narrow and start fighting some real opponents (young guys or guys at the top preferably,)
outside of top rank, if he can, so they will be real fights with an opponent who isn't simply an opponent

marquez at 144 is i guess a start

141 and we'd be talking.

same with rios if they're serious about getting them in the ring together.

eeven 147 foro ríos
who cares
he'll probably outweigh pacquiao in the ring by an lb or two


for 3 million he'd fight king kong

[jabsRstiff]

When you think about it, the lb4lb weakest puncher in history is Nicolai Valuev.

Far bigger than everyone he faced, and wa hardly a KO artist.

[fitefanSHO]

Manny Pacquaio is currently too polarizing a figure in the boxing landscape and I refuse to discuss him and his place in history until after he retires, and some proper perspective can be gained.

[jabsRstiff]

Manny Pacquaio is currently too polarizing a figure in the boxing landscape and I refuse to discuss him and his place in history until after he retires, and some proper perspective can be gained.

Excellent view/post.

[McGoorty]

good post

and i'll say that dempsey, marciano both had to wear guys down
or at least get them exactly where they needed to be

and they were HW. lennox lewis is a much bigger puncher in purely HW terms (if you consider that they are about 40-60 lbs smaller, p4p it gets closer)
but the HW division isn't in p4p terms
they are HW compared to other HW. not big punchers in historic terms. sonny liston was a big puncher. joe louis was a big puncher. dempsey and marciano are on a lower tier in my opinion.

and they don't compare to a former flyweight world champ with a clean one punch knockout over the lineal jr WW champion (and future HOFER)
a stoppage over miguel cotto
the hardest puncher josh clottey ever faced in his own words (i know he didn't show up for that fight, but clottey was known to weigh 165 plus for WW fights and had a very good chin)
breaking the face of antonio margarito (and a responsible ref or corner would have stopped that fight "LIVELY, you bastard !" - robert garcia)
knocking down shane mosley's corpse (who can still take a good punch, and had only even been hurt by one man, vernon forrest a dangerous right handed puncher and true WW)

"gradually reconfiguring de la hoya's beautiful face"



tellme
could carlos Zarate do that?


we'll have to wait until manny retires

and no flyweight champion comes along to move to WW and knock guys out (and HURT THEM with one punch)
and still behave like a destroyer

then maybe we'll give him whatever credit he deserves


i wouldn't be ashamed at all to put him on the list with any puncher who has ever lived

if you're forgetting, some of you guys out there, go re-watch the cotto, margarito, hatton, and de la hoya fights


that guy started his career at 106 lbs ^^


manny has an ATG punch and chin. it would be better if he was ATG at getting out of the way of punches
but he really isn't (look at his face after some of those fights other than shane,) and you need a hell of a chin being so naturally small taking punches from such big guys.

the way he took miguel cotto's best punches erased all doubts in my mind about him. i haunt bet against him since, and will not until he fights floyd mayweather, when i'll be putting a little something on mayweather if i can get close to even odds or better

he's gotta get back on the straight and narrow and start fighting some real opponents (young guys or guys at the top preferably,)
outside of top rank, if he can, so they will be real fights with an opponent who isn't simply an opponent

marquez at 144 is i guess a start

141 and we'd be talking.

same with rios if they're serious about getting them in the ring together.

eeven 147 foro ríos
who cares
he'll probably outweigh pacquiao in the ring by an lb or two


for 3 million he'd fight king kong

Good post too man, although I rate Marciano higher than you do, I rate his power a lot higher but you made a point about him wearing them down,.... Thats a Major Talent he had, he was the original "EVEREADY MAN", he just went and went and went, never stopping in his quest to WIN,..... I can name the Heavyweights who had his work ethic, he looked awkward at times, but who wouldn't with those incredibly short reach. Rocky was 5, 11', but 5. 7' boxers Les Darcy and Sam Langford were his opposites, they had enormous reach, though 4 inches shorter Darcy had about 6 and a half inches longer, in fact it is superior to most HW Champions,..... one of the reasons that Langford and Darcy could easily handle bigger men than Rocky........ I know one thing about Rocky's power,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Archie Moore is on my side, the Mongoose said that Rocky's punches were at a totally different level to anything else he faced .......................... Moore's opinions are nothing to sneeze at,......... Anyway I'm gonna Celebrate finishing this post Because it's my------------------------------------------------------------------------ -----

- ONE THOUSAND'TH POST,,,, YAY !!

Am I an undisputed Champ now ???????