Interesting questions: What are your opinions on boxing historian Monte Cox?

[Barn]

He isn't. At all.

That's the point I was making

[kendom]

these are his all time divisional rankings


Heavyweight Ratings

Joe Louis
Muhammad Ali
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Sonny Liston
Jack Dempsey
Jack Johnson
Lennox Lewis
Mike Tyson
Joe Frazier


Light-heavyweight Ratings:

Sam Langford
Gene Tunney
Ezzard Charles
Tommy Loughran
Mike Spinks
Archie Moore
Bob Foster
Roy Jones Jr.
Billy Conn
Philadelphia Jack O’Brien


Middleweights Ratings:

Harry Greb
Bob Fitzsimmons
Carlos Monzon
Marvin Hagler
Stanley Ketchel
Bernard Hopkins
Charley Burley
Marcel Cerdan
**** Tiger
Jake Lamotta


Welterweight Ratings:

Ray Robinson
Ray Leonard
Mickey Walker
Thomas Hearns
Joe Walcott
Jose Napoles
Kid Gavilan
Emile Griffith
Ted “Kid” Lewis
Luis Rodriguez


Lightweight Ratings:

Joe Gans
Benny Leonard
Roberto Duran
Pernell Whitaker
Aaron Pryor
Barney Ross
Tony Canzoneri
Julio Cesar Chavez
Jack Blackburn
Ike Williams


Featherweight Ratings:

Henry Armstrong
Willie Pep
Alexis Arguello
Sandy Saddler
Kid Chocolate
Salvador Sanchez
Abe Attell
Jim Driscoll
Johnny Dundee
Manny Pacquiao


Bantamweight Ratings:

Eder Jofre
Terry McGovern
George Dixon
Carlos Zarate
Rueben Olivares
Panama “Al” Brown
Pete Herman
Manuel Ortiz
Kid Williams
Jeff Chandler


Flyweight Ratings:

Jimmy Wilde
Pascual Perez
Pancho Villa
Jimmy Barry
Fidel LaBarba
Frankie Genaro
Benny Lynch
Fighting Harada
Miguel Canto
Ricardo Lopez



All Time Pound 4 Pound

Ray Robinson
Joe Gans
Harry Greb
Henry Armstrong
Joe Louis
Muhammad Ali
Sam Langford
Benny Leonard
Roberto Duran
Ray Leonard

[TheGreatA]

Decent place to start but his articles are not necessarily the most objective, since he usually tries to build up the fighters he is writing about. I can see why he does it but to get true information on the fighters you have to dig a lot deeper. Also has some odd opinions that I don't necessarily agree with, but he attempts to back them up.

For example if you're looking for an objective look on Rocky Marciano, Cox's articles are not the place to start. He is not a big fan of the man to put it mildly.

[kendom]

Decent place to start but his articles are not necessarily the most objective, since he usually tries to build up the fighters he is writing about. I can see why he does it but to get true information on the fighters you have to dig a lot deeper. Also has some odd opinions that I don't necessarily agree with, but he attempts to back them up.

For example if you're looking for an objective look on Rocky Marciano, Cox's articles are not the place to start. He is not a big fan of the man to put it mildly.

LOL are you referring to his article about marciano not being a top 5 heavyweight and losing to Mike Tyson? his article about marciano was the 1st of his articles i ever heard.

[Forza]

His rankings are pretty terrible. Not many historians would put liston and tyson in the top 10 HW ATG. I have a hard time putting jack johnson in there either. The fact that he doesn't put marciano in the top 10 shows his bias towards him. No, marciano is not top 5 but easily bottom top 10 HW atg.

And stanley ketchel as a MW ATG is just sillyness

[StarshipTrooper]

His rankings are pretty terrible. Not many historians would put liston and tyson in the top 10 HW ATG. I have a hard time putting jack johnson in there either. The fact that he doesn't put marciano in the top 10 shows his bias towards him. No, marciano is not top 5 but easily bottom top 10 HW atg.

And stanley ketchel as a MW ATG is just sillyness

The Rock says STFU and know your role :cool9:

Poet

[Greatest1942]

I think Monte Cox is a very good historian and he has expanded my knowledge.

Put it this way, if Bert Sugar is "credible" then Monte Cox is very great.

Monte mostly states facts...Bert sometimes make up facts. Big difference. Over the years I have heard so much from Sugar, that I have lost a bit off respect for him.

[IronDanHamza]

these are his all time divisional rankings


Heavyweight Ratings

Joe Louis
Muhammad Ali
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Sonny Liston
Jack Dempsey
Jack Johnson
Lennox Lewis
Mike Tyson
Joe Frazier


Light-heavyweight Ratings:

Sam Langford
Gene Tunney
Ezzard Charles
Tommy Loughran
Mike Spinks
Archie Moore
Bob Foster
Roy Jones Jr.
Billy Conn
Philadelphia Jack O’Brien


Middleweights Ratings:

Harry Greb
Bob Fitzsimmons
Carlos Monzon
Marvin Hagler
Stanley Ketchel
Bernard Hopkins
Charley Burley
Marcel Cerdan
**** Tiger
Jake Lamotta


Welterweight Ratings:

Ray Robinson
Ray Leonard
Mickey Walker
Thomas Hearns
Joe Walcott
Jose Napoles
Kid Gavilan
Emile Griffith
Ted “Kid” Lewis
Luis Rodriguez


Lightweight Ratings:

Joe Gans
Benny Leonard
Roberto Duran
Pernell Whitaker
Aaron Pryor
Barney Ross
Tony Canzoneri
Julio Cesar Chavez
Jack Blackburn
Ike Williams


Featherweight Ratings:

Henry Armstrong
Willie Pep
Alexis Arguello
Sandy Saddler
Kid Chocolate
Salvador Sanchez
Abe Attell
Jim Driscoll
Johnny Dundee
Manny Pacquiao


Bantamweight Ratings:

Eder Jofre
Terry McGovern
George Dixon
Carlos Zarate
Rueben Olivares
Panama “Al” Brown
Pete Herman
Manuel Ortiz
Kid Williams
Jeff Chandler


Flyweight Ratings:

Jimmy Wilde
Pascual Perez
Pancho Villa
Jimmy Barry
Fidel LaBarba
Frankie Genaro
Benny Lynch
Fighting Harada
Miguel Canto
Ricardo Lopez



All Time Pound 4 Pound

Ray Robinson
Joe Gans
Harry Greb
Henry Armstrong
Joe Louis
Muhammad Ali
Sam Langford
Benny Leonard
Roberto Duran
Ray Leonard

Wow, his WW list is freakishly similar to mine. Atleast in terms of names.

I have never actually seen these lists before.

[IronDanHamza]

The Rock says STFU and know your role :cool9:

Poet

I have seen both you and JAB refer to The Great One recently. Is there a reason for that or do you just like him?

He's my all time favourite wrestler, by the way.

[BigStereotype]

I have seen both you and JAB refer to The Great One recently. Is there a reason for that or do you just like him?

He's my all time favourite wrestler, by the way.

Probably because he's a boss. I actually shelled out money to watch Wrestlemania this year because he was hosting it. That dude was like my idol growing up.