Cus D'amato = overrated

[Forza]

Why do people think he is a boxing god? Probably the tyson effect.

Terrible manager (patterson fired his ass), overrated trainer etc People think he was some kind of special person, if you actually do your research you'll find he was just as greedy as anyone in boxing, most likely had mob ties (pretended he hated the mob), and had some STRANGE behavior that can't be explained.

[Verstyle]

I like oranges and apples. They're sooooo gooooood!!!!!!!!!!

[NChristo]

Find him to be over rated as a trainer by most but that's just imo, his name does not belong next to Arcel or Futch when it comes to ranking but he was still a great trainer and fantastic at analyzing different styles. He clearly had an impact on the sport.

I like oranges and apples. They're sooooo gooooood!!!!!!!!!!

Bananas > Apples.

[jabsRstiff]

So what....Cus wasn't as good as we're lead to believe and he had a taste for underaged ****. What's the big deal?

[VERILY]

So he was a flawed individual.


A pretty remarkable individual, too, who undoubtably put some good into the world.


You hate Tyson and all things Tyson-related too much, paesano.

[F l i c k e r]

Hmm. I don't really have a like or dislike for the guy but Teddy Atlas hinted at him being overrated. Something to the effect of, he never trained with Tyson and Tyson hardly ever listened to him. Something like that.

[VERILY]

Teddy Atlas hinted at him being overrated. Something to the effect of, he never trained with Tyson and Tyson hardly ever listened to him. Something like that.

[Scott9945]

Hmm. I don't really have a like or dislike for the guy but Teddy Atlas hinted at him being overrated. Something to the effect of, he never trained with Tyson and Tyson hardly ever listened to him. Something like that.

Just might have something to do with Cus firing Teddy.

[TheGreatA]

He could only teach fighters to fight one way, but it was a great pattern that he taught and it made three world champions. Like any manager in those days, he probably had some mob ties, but there's no doubt he fought against the corrupt IBC.

The reason he was fired by Patterson is because he was over-protective and wanted to be in control. D'Amato knew Liston was bad for boxing and bad for Patterson also and didn't want the fight to take place. But Patterson rightfully felt it was his duty as champion to give the best opponent a shot.

D'Amato always demanded his fighters to be crowd-pleasing and put them through an intense training regimen. I believe he passed his ideals best onto Kevin Rooney, not Teddy Atlas, and it tells something about today's boxers that very few fighters want to work with Rooney because he demands a lot from them.

Great with aggressive fighters, but his teachings were never going to work with a safety-first performer.

[Yogi]

Like any manager in those days, he probably had some mob ties,but there's no doubt he fought against the corrupt IBC.

...only when it was convenient for him. When it suited his purpose he wasn't shy about dealing with the IBC and borrowing money off them when Floyd was on the verge of the championships. Or attempt to work with Al Weill and have him be the promoter of record for the Roy Harris defense. Amongst other things. Cus was also the acting president of New York Manager's Guild at the time they were ordered to disband in 1956, and the whole Manager's Guild was brought forth as a brain child of Frankie Carbo as an offshoot organization of the IBC.

And there's no doubt that Cus was working with the crooks of when Floyd reigned, as some of his closest business associates then were the likes of Charlie "Black", "Fat" Tony Salermo and some others. Mind you, you could easily jot Cus' name down in the "crook" category too if considering his behind the scenes dealings in the Johanssen and London fights, which were dealings that saw him see his manager's license revoked (for the 2nd time...this time he never reapplied).