Tyson's Talents Are Way Overrated

[Kid Achilles]

The only one who is inciting arguments here is Pugnacious, a loud mouthed punk who wouldn't have the balls to say a fraction of the stuff he says on this forum in person. Look through some of his posts and you'll see all kinds of twisted ****. **** threats even. He doesn't deserve respect from any of us.

[Pugnacious_Z]

eat a **** achiles, u ***** ass ***get, id beat u with words or in person with my fists

[Kid Achilles]

Right, all 150 pounds of you.

[Verstyle]

u said cooney can hit harder then tyson i have no comment on the rest of bull**** u said. and tyson has lifted people of there feet i think u need to see the eddie richardson fight for an example.(cause when u get carried halfway across the ring. i think thats something there

[Skydog]

Launching someone horizontally is much different than straight up off of their feet. And let's not forget that George's uppercut was just an arm punch.

I would shudder to think what he would do to little Mike if he wounded up and put his whole body into one of those uppercuts.

[Warhawk46]

Except for the fact that Tyson was nearly as heavy as Foreman...what you dont realize is just how dense Tyson was...he was built like a tank.

Tyson weighed 215-220 lbs during his prime
Foreman was 220-230 lbs (give or take a few)

Tyson was so much more compact, a real wrecking ball
Foreman was considered a monster when he first fought, but he was really the size of a lot of guys when Tyson ruled.

But, really both men had iron fists. Foreman was just so damn slow...every punch looked like a haymaker.

[hellfire508]

Tyson fans are as delusional as his critics are.

FACT: Tyson was the youngest, most dominating heavy in history coming up. Even the boxing old timers who tend to poopah the latest champion admitted that Tyson was the best they had ever seen.

No, Tyson did not hit the hardest. He relied on blazing combos to fell his opponents. Yes, Tyson was one of the most skilled heavies in history. He certainly had more skills than Ali. Yes, Tyson also had great natural talent. Yes, Tyson became a mental misfit who lost his focus and stopped training properly and spent his best prime years in prison.

What more does anyone need to know?

Ali would have destroyed Tyson. No questions asked. Not only would Ali dance circles around him, landing furious combinations, but he would probably stop Tyson late. Either by the ref, or by Tyson quitting, when he hits Ali with his best shot and Ali just keeps dancing. Tyson was awesome. But the truth is, he is no Muhammad Ali, and would be beaten by alot of fighters.

[KidBlackie]

[[[Ali would have destroyed Tyson. No questions asked.]]]
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Hmmm, well, Ali fans are as delusional as Tyson fans, though usually not as ugly. Ali was a very beatable fighter matched up with the right opponent. Any fighter can be beat.

Regardless, the thread is who is more skilled, not who can beat who. Tyson had more traditional boxing skills than did Ali who relied primarily on his natural attributes and style.

[Verstyle]

Launching someone horizontally is much different than straight up off of their feet. And let's not forget that George's uppercut was just an arm punch.

I would shudder to think what he would do to little Mike if he wounded up and put his whole body into one of those uppercuts.

ok then mike tyson vs. mark young. he uppercuted him and he flew a quarter of the ring back and fell into the ropes and was knocked out cold. and yes both feet were off the ground. so he did left lift him across the ring literally u cant deny that cause its on video. so whatcha gotta say bought that. and george decided to throw arm punches dont make it seem like o if he threw them like tyson he woulda flew in the third row cause obviousl he wasnt good at full body punches cause he was was he woulda thrown them. it would make since. duhhhhhh!!!!!!! and im still flored about cooney hittin harder then tyson,hey if thats the case i can hit harder then big george foreman. and even if cooney did hit harder no one ever talked about his power like they did frazier george, tyson, and shavers. so maybe his power was so great that it couldnt be talked about cause of fear of bad karma.

[Kid Achilles]

Why are you floored by the theory of Cooney hitting harder than Tyson? Did you ever see any of his knockouts? Norton and Lyle had passed their primes but the punches he unloaded on them were unreal. I would not be surprised if his left hook had more force behind it as Tyson's. Remember that there were a lot of extremely hard hitting heavyweights throughout history. Tyson's power alone was not what made him stand out as a unique fighter. It was his reflexes and upper body movement, coupled with his handspeed.