My Personal top 10 rankings of middleweights, what do you think?

[kendom]

I don't know... To me it's hard to judge these old fighters on just resume when we have no footage of them.. i mean obviously they have to be great fighters but in the end we really don't know. I'd certainly have Hagler close to the top 3 with Monzon and Hopkins higher too...

We know how these fighters fought from newspaper accounts of their fights and primary sources ie trainers, opponents, refererees, boxing authorities from that time- Nat Fleischer, all this information has been collected thanks to boxing historians and i know more about these fighters than I do some modern ones ,(probably because i have a deep love for history lol) I know for example that Fitzsimmons was a boxer-puncher with good boxing skills and incredible accuracy in his punches, very much like Joe Louis, I know that he was a master of the feint and fought straight up. I know that he had great defense and was a master of blocking and leaning away from punches safely.

As for fighters like Harry Greb i know that he was a swarmer on the level of Henry Armstrong but faster and more manouverable, I know that his punch stats were so crazy that an opponent likened fighting him to "fighting an octopus" so from this we can tell that Greb se a very fast pace in his fights, in fact from the internet theres so much we can learn from these fighters and i have eough knowledge to compare them to fighters from later eras to see who is greater.

[Pastrano]

Anybody not including Cerdan among top 10 is an idiot. The man had it all! He was fast, a concussive puncher, had finesse, had technique, even the physical strength and chin. He was hardened from having to fight Moroccan kids on the street as a boy. But I guess some of you dislike him because he was French or because he whooped Zale. Most experts say he woulda whooped LaMotta in the rematch and in the first match too, if he didn't get injured.

[Greatest1942]

This is just my personal top ten middleweights, I'm leaving off Robinson and Jones as i feel that they were in their prime in other weights, this only includes fighters who were in their prime at middleweight

1) Harry Greb
2) Bob Fitzsimmons
3) Carlos Monzon
4) Charley Burley
5) Stanley Ketchel
6) Marvin Hagler
7) **** Tiger
8) Bernard Hopkins
9) Jake Lamotta
10) Marcel Cerdan

Considering the guy fought at middle weight a lot and is generally considered one of the greatest ever, why do not include Robinson in your list.

[IronDanHamza]

Anybody not including Cerdan among top 10 is an idiot. The man had it all! He was fast, a concussive puncher, had finesse, had technique, even the physical strength and chin. He was hardened from having to fight Moroccan kids on the street as a boy. But I guess some of you dislike him because he was French or because he whooped Zale. Most experts say he woulda whooped LaMotta in the rematch and in the first match too, if he didn't get injured.

Kind of like if someone were to have Ezzard Charles and Floyd Patterson in their Top 10 at HW and not Foreman?

Or having Oscar De La Hoya at #6 at WW above Sugar Ray Leonard?

Marcel Cerdan is a great fighter and definitely has a legit argument to be a Top 10 MW.

The fact is; if someone doesn't have him in there, it's not abserd.

[Welsh Jon]

This is just my personal top ten middleweights, I'm leaving off Robinson and Jones as i feel that they were in their prime in other weights, this only includes fighters who were in their prime at middleweight

1) Harry Greb
2) Bob Fitzsimmons
3) Carlos Monzon
4) Charley Burley
5) Stanley Ketchel
6) Marvin Hagler
7) **** Tiger
8) Bernard Hopkins
9) Jake Lamotta
10) Marcel Cerdan

Even though Robinson wasn't in his prime, he has to be on there considering what he achieved at the weight.

[Pastrano]

Kind of like if someone were to have Ezzard Charles and Floyd Patterson in their Top 10 at HW and not Foreman?

Or having Oscar De La Hoya at #6 at WW above Sugar Ray Leonard?

Marcel Cerdan is a great fighter and definitely has a legit argument to be a Top 10 MW.

The fact is; if someone doesn't have him in there, it's not abserd.

Charles and Patterson were MILES above Foreman in p4p value. However, that doesn't come tru to thickheads like you.

[Welsh Jon]

Even though Robinson wasn't in his prime, he has to be on there considering what he achieved at the weight.

Oops sorry should have read whole post before commenting.

[IronDanHamza]

Charles and Patterson were MILES above Foreman in p4p value. However, that doesn't come tru to thickheads like you.

Except, were not talking P4P value, are we?

We're talking about greatness at HW, something, only someone either very misinformed are outright senseless would have Floyd Patterson and Ezzard Charles above George Foreman in terms of HW greatness.

I guess you fit both those catergories, Mr. Oscar is ranked #6 at WW.

[Welsh Jon]

My list:

1.Greb
2.Robinson
3.Hagler
4.Monzon
5.Fitzsimmons
6.**** Tiger
7.Ketchel
8.Cerdan
9.Lamotta
10.Zale

[IronDanHamza]

My list:

1.Greb
2.Robinson
3.Hagler
4.Monzon
5.Fitzsimmons
6.**** Tiger
7.Ketchel
8.Cerdan
9.Lamotta
10.Zale

No Charley Burley?

How come?