Ali vs. Louis- Tale Of The Tape (Comparisons)

[hellfire508]

louis may have been more accurate than foreman, but he didn't hit harder. so ali would be able to take more punches to the head from louis, so i think it's possible.

Oh my god! You cannot get it through your head?!?!?

Louis is one of THE hardest hitters ever! He may well have hit harder than Foreman, there is no way of proving it. He nearly decapitated people in the ring. Ali would get TKO'd if he rope-a-doped Joe Louis! END OF STORY!

[butterfly1964]

Oh my god! You cannot get it through your head?!?!?

Louis is one of THE hardest hitters ever! He may well have hit harder than Foreman, there is no way of proving it. He nearly decapitated people in the ring. Ali would get TKO'd if he rope-a-doped Joe Louis! END OF STORY!

louis does not in any way punch harder than foreman. louis fought smaller people and wore smaller gloves, that's why he did more damage.

[Brassangel]

Joe Louis wore gloves that were usually no heavier than 8 oz. George Foreman wore gloves that were 12-14 oz. That's a considerable padding difference. I would say that George's KO percentage, being higher that Louis's, speaks for itself. Especially since George fought more fights.

Louis was a better boxer than Foreman, but he definitely didn't hit harder than Big George.

[Dempsey1238]

I would like to point out when compare to power, Louis was able to break bones in bouts with Uzcudun(Mouth guard in gums), and Schmeling, I sure there are others.

Other thing is Louis knock em flat, OUTCOLD.
That is a BIG diffent than TKO wins over Fraizer or Ken Norton, whom seem to get up evey time Big George knock them down.
I think Foreman's power is over rated a bit, I not saying he cant hit, I just saying that he seems to get by with TKO wins, and declear the hardest hitter ever, When Louis knocks em in next week, and people think Louis is a weak puncher compare to Foreman.

[butterfly1964]

Joe Louis wore gloves that were usually no heavier than 8 oz. George Foreman wore gloves that were 12-14 oz. That's a considerable padding difference. I would say that George's KO percentage, being higher that Louis's, speaks for itself. Especially since George fought more fights.

Louis was a better boxer than Foreman, but he definitely didn't hit harder than Big George.

thanks alot. good karma for you!

[butterfly1964]

I would like to point out when compare to power, Louis was able to break bones in bouts with Uzcudun(Mouth guard in gums), and Schmeling, I sure there are others.

Other thing is Louis knock em flat, OUTCOLD.
That is a BIG diffent than TKO wins over Fraizer or Ken Norton, whom seem to get up evey time Big George knock them down.
I think Foreman's power is over rated a bit, I not saying he cant hit, I just saying that he seems to get by with TKO wins, and declear the hardest hitter ever, When Louis knocks em in next week, and people think Louis is a weak puncher compare to Foreman.

i guess i'll have to repeat myself. the small chinny bums louis fought during his career cannot compare to norton, frazier, and chuvalo, who were big and had strong chins.

louis wore small gloves. fact: smaller gloves = more knockdowns and knockouts. the fact that louis broke bones means what? just that they were weak bums most of them. ask chuck wepner what foreman did to him. foreman hit him with one shot, and the bone around wepner's eye was sticking out of his skin! and this is with 12 ounce gloves and against a tough sob like wepner.

foreman would have killed, yes literally killed all the fighters that louis ko'd in the first round. no way they would live if george wore 6 ounce gloves, and referee's didn't stop fights as often as in the 70s.

[hellfire508]

I would like to point out when compare to power, Louis was able to break bones in bouts with Uzcudun(Mouth guard in gums), and Schmeling, I sure there are others.

Other thing is Louis knock em flat, OUTCOLD.
That is a BIG diffent than TKO wins over Fraizer or Ken Norton, whom seem to get up evey time Big George knock them down.
I think Foreman's power is over rated a bit, I not saying he cant hit, I just saying that he seems to get by with TKO wins, and declear the hardest hitter ever, When Louis knocks em in next week, and people think Louis is a weak puncher compare to Foreman.

I agree Greek. I believe Foreman hit slightly harder, but Louis was a muhc more effective puncher, and caused alot more damage. I always used to think Foreman hit harder than Louis - until I bought a collection of Louis fights, and saw what he could really do. I think he hits pretty close to foreman's power. And please don't bring up KO percentages...Foreman's career was padded early on.

George is my second favourite heavyweight ever, but in this case - he can't match Louis for destructive capability.

[hellfire508]

Oh my god shut up Butterfly.

"Foreman would literally kill the bums Louis fought in the first round".

FACT - Louis' resume is better than Foreman's.

[Brassangel]

Okay, every critic on this thread seems to miss the part where Louis was wearing gloves that were literally half the weight and padding of Foreman's. Also, the design of the "stuffing" of the gloves in the earlier days was severely flawed. As a fight wore on, it was common knowledge that the padding would gradually shift away from the knuckles which wore at the thinner tissue. By the 70's the gloves were twice as heavy, and built with wear and tear in mind. Before that time, the gloves basically kept the knuckles from suffering too much damage.

Additionally, the field of fighters was faster, stronger, and tougher as boxing progressed. You don't think that Foreman would have broken some bones had he fought a bunch of 190-200 pound fighters wearing 6 oz. gloves with padding that wore thin throughout the match? 6 oz. gloves are less than 2 oz. heavier than the ones worn by the UFC fighters, and there's plenty of blood and breaks there; with only 3 rounds of fighting! Now give tiny gloves, with loose padding, to a taped set of knuckles that are trained to strike another human being for 15 rounds and you get broken bones.

NOTE: I do believe that Louis was a better, more accurate, and more effective puncher than Foreman. Given the circumstances, Big George would have put holes in people's faces if he had the same equipment.

[Dempsey1238]

i guess i'll have to repeat myself. the small chinny bums louis fought during his career cannot compare to norton, frazier, and chuvalo, who were big and had strong chins.

louis wore small gloves. fact: smaller gloves = more knockdowns and knockouts. the fact that louis broke bones means what? just that they were weak bums most of them. ask chuck wepner what foreman did to him. foreman hit him with one shot, and the bone around wepner's eye was sticking out of his skin! and this is with 12 ounce gloves and against a tough sob like wepner.

foreman would have killed, yes literally killed all the fighters that louis ko'd in the first round. no way they would live if george wore 6 ounce gloves, and referee's didn't stop fights as often as in the 70s.

Baer, Sharkey, Schmling, Lewis, Conn, Godoy, and OTHERs were FAR from bums as you called em.

The gloves had not change much from the 1940's-1970.

Bill Corum said that heavyweight champion ships mostly use 16 gloves, but the Marciano Moore used 8 OZ for this bout, Corum was thinking it may add power to Marciano's Power, of couse Marciano took 9 rounds to ko Moore in thsos gloves.

I think the heaver the glove, the more power you have. The Gloves are made to protect the hands, NOT THE OTHER GUY. The gloves today are harder, and cause a bit more damage,.

Going out and claiming Foreman will killed people with the gloves from the 1940's is over acted.