Fact or Fiction: If Mosley doesn't win the to DLH fights

[StarshipTrooper]

I cant see it, being honest. He had a paper title at LW where he looked amazing but fought next to nobody. If you did take away that fine first win over De La Hoya, he has nothing beyond a gift in their rematch (while knowingly using PEDs) and a very good win over Margarito on which to base a HOF nomination on. Used-up iterations of Vargas and Mayorga are no match for defeats to all his best competition, especially when you consider three of those were absolute thrashings (Forrest I, Wright I, Mayweather). The only time he even got legitimately near to beating anyone else significant was Cotto (in a very good effort from a past-it Mosley).

The problem is, though, that unlike the HOFs of other sports the IBOF has no real relation to greatness as a basis for getting in. In boxing, saying someone is a "hall-of-famer" is essentially meaningless: It's a populartity contest pure and simple. If a fighter has a real fan base he'll get in. Arturo Gatti is a lock for the IBOF. Now whether it SHOULD be that way is a different story but that's fodder for another thread. The question here is whether Mosley belongs in the IBOF based on the standards the Hall actually uses. In that case he's a lock unless he somehow gets barred for the 'roid use.

Poet

[joseph5620]

The problem is, though, that unlike the HOFs of other sports the IBOF has no real relation to greatness as a basis for getting in. In boxing, saying someone is a "hall-of-famer" is essentially meaningless: It's a populartity contest pure and simple. If a fighter has a real fan base he'll get in. Arturo Gatti is a lock for the IBOF. Now whether it SHOULD be that way is a different story but that's fodder for another thread. The question here is whether Mosley belongs in the IBOF based on the standards the Hall actually uses. In that case he's a lock unless he somehow gets barred for the 'rhoid use.

Poet

Exactly.This gets overlooked too much. Based on that, Mosley has done more than enough to get in. I'll throw out an example: Jose Torres. If he's in, Mosley's in and deserves to be.

[Scott9945]

Exactly.This gets overlooked too much. Based on that, Mosley has done more than enough to get in. I'll throw out an example: Jose Torres. If he's in, Mosley's in and deserves to be.

Here's another one. Ingemar Johansson had 26 wins, only one of them in world title fight. Jess Willard is another who got in off one big win. If they're in the HOF then Shane absolutely has to be.

[Wild Blue Yonda]

The problem is, though, that unlike the HOFs of other sports the IBOF has no real relation to greatness as a basis for getting in. In boxing, saying someone is a "hall-of-famer" is essentially meaningless: It's a populartity contest pure and simple. If a fighter has a real fan base he'll get in. Arturo Gatti is a lock for the IBOF. Now whether it SHOULD be that way is a different story but that's fodder for another thread. The question here is whether Mosley belongs in the IBOF based on the standards the Hall actually uses. In that case he's a lock unless he somehow gets barred for the 'roid use.

Poet

Yes, I already acknowledged briefly at the tail of one of my posts here that I don't doubt for a second Mosley gets in. Even though he did, in fact, struggle for a fanbase & the ability to pull big crowds, he still has enough recognition.

I am loathe to go down the route now being touched on in the posts above, however, of, "If Fighter X is in, Mosley should be in, too," that is facetious & flawed thinking, to my eyes. One mistake should not mandate another.

[Scott9945]

Yes, I already acknowledged briefly at the tail of one of my posts here that I don't doubt for a second Mosley gets in. Even though he did, in fact, struggle for a fanbase & the ability to pull big crowds, he still has enough recognition.

I am loathe to go down the route now being touched on in the posts above, however, of, "If Fighter X is in, Mosley should be in, too," that is facetious & flawed thinking, to my eyes. One mistake should not mandate another.

That's very reasonable. But with these type of things the bar usually gets lowered rather than raised. Once Gatti gets in you can't excuse keeping Shane out.

I will say that Mosley shouldn't get in before Naseem Hamed does however.