Prime Holyfeild vs. Current Wlad

[New England]

Dude. Wlad gassed the **** out in the first Brewster fight. That doesn't speak to having "tremendous" stamina. Like everything else it proves you don't know what the **** you're talking about. Kind of like you thinking a chinless **** will go out and get one somewhere down the line. BTW, are you REALLY holding up the fat poorly condition jokes that are polluting the current Heavyweight as bench marks for stamina? :hahahaha9: You really ARE ******ed aren't you? :jerk0ff9:

Seriously dude. I've watched more boxing in any given ten year span of my life then you'll have watched by the time they shovel dirt over you so give it up Junior :cool9:

Poet

he gassed out because he's a gigantic man who wasnt economical with his body
that's not a performance that dooms him to a career with a "stamina problem"


he's a supremely conditioned,
world class, year round athlete. there arent many left in boxing, nevermind in the division.


he's the best in the division in terms of his conditioning.


steward has pulled his conditioning back because he was overtrained.



wladimir lost to brewster because of a horrible gameplan

he raged out of his corner


his recent performances (assuming you watch them) are evidence aplenty that he doesnt suffere from an inherent "stamina problem"



hit him on the chin, and it's going out the door anyway,
if you're evander holyfield.

he's not as gifted an athlete as holyfield in terms of the engine he was given to produce his work
and if it's possible evander worked harder in the gym





and a chin obviously develops throughout the later stages of boyhood into manhood.
get off your couch and watch a fight card from top to bottom
and tell me the boys take the punches as well as the grown men

[RFPROBOX]

who takes it......

I could see wladimir using evanders head as a speed bag with his left jab. But it's more likely that evander the billy goat would tire Klitschko with his pacing. I would pick Holyfield. he has some important advantages. It's hard to bet against him. But I would root for wladimir all the way.

[New England]

Definitely. You get smarter as you get older, but you don't get better reflexes.

the consensus physical prime of a big man in boxing is around 30, especially today.


reflexes in boxing generally have much more to do with the milage than age. obviously they arent getting better with age
and they arent going to be better on average for the older fighters. but reflexes are almost entirely dictated by the punches taken. floyd mayweather is no spring chicken, and he's still one of the sharpest fighters on the planet once he's warmed up


notice how you dont see your HW prospects (how few there are) moving quickly through the division (like say a bantamweight might)


smaller men peak at a younger age
big men need time to fill out, get stronger
they peak later in life.


you guys should all know this stuff (teddy atlas 101,) and many of you do.
i dont know why i've got to repeat it.


some bull**** comign from some guy typing in purple isnt going to make me change my stance on some of the pillars of boxing.

[StarshipTrooper]

some bull**** comign from some guy typing in purple isnt going to make me change my stance on some of the pillars of boxing.

Seriously dude, it's pretty clear you aren't the sharpest pillar in the Parthenon. You're one of the LEAST knowledgable people on this site.....and that's saying something considering all the ******s running around NSB. Seriously, you need to think about following another sport since it's pretty obvious boxing "ain't your thang".

Poet

[Holtol]

the consensus physical prime of a big man in boxing is around 30, especially today.


reflexes in boxing generally have much more to do with the milage than age. obviously they arent getting better with age
and they arent going to be better on average for the older fighters. but reflexes are almost entirely dictated by the punches taken. floyd mayweather is no spring chicken, and he's still one of the sharpest fighters on the planet once he's warmed up


notice how you dont see your HW prospects (how few there are) moving quickly through the division (like say a bantamweight might)


smaller men peak at a younger age
big men need time to fill out, get stronger
they peak later in life.


you guys should all know this stuff (teddy atlas 101,) and many of you do.
i dont know why i've got to repeat it.


some bull**** comign from some guy typing in purple isnt going to make me change my stance on some of the pillars of boxing.

The main reason big men take longer to develop is because they are not naturally as good as smaller fighters. Not to many people weight over 200 pounds when they train hard for boxing. So the talent pool at heavy weight is small, and there is less chance of extreme talant in small groups. Wladimir finally learned to box better and that is why he is not getting knocked out and running out of energy. It has nothing to do with filling out.

[Jack Napier]

Wlad intimidates guys with his power
they're too scared to rush in for fear of his right hand
Holyfield at his best has rhythm to penetrate the Wlad jab
and he won't be afraid to get hit
this isn't an easy fight for Holyfield, but he'd win it
Wlad would tire late and be overtaken
tough decision or late KO for Holyfield

[The_Demon]

i'm not really a wladimir fan, if it was me you are talking about


he's a gigantic man.

he's going to run out of gas.
that's a question of being economical with a giganitic body, and not his conditioning.



he's as well conditioned an athlete there is in the division right now.
he's never going to be able to throw 100 punches in a round

Your going back on yourself here,wlad has weak staminia and Holyfield would expose that weakness in a bad way,you really seem too be missing the point

[New England]

The main reason big men take longer to develop is because they are not naturally as good as smaller fighters. Not to many people weight over 200 pounds when they train hard for boxing. So the talent pool at heavy weight is small, and there is less chance of extreme talant in small groups. Wladimir finally learned to box better and that is why he is not getting knocked out and running out of energy. It has nothing to do with filling out.

do you read what is posted?


he lost because he had a horrific gameplan. he ran himself out of gas.
it's his gameplan (and not his level of conditioning, a perfectly conditioned 250 lb man can gas himself out rather easily if he's not smart with all that muscle) that gets him through fights.




additionally, his fight with purrity was sighted, not with brewster, because he was 22 year old at the time
22!
that's a boy in the heavyweight division.




and finally, you're very wrong about the size of the men


there are plenty of people in the NFL, NBA that would't have an iceberg's chance in hell of fighting at 200 lbs


there are plenty of men on the planet (with premium athletic talent)
who would weigh much more than 200 if they were in prizefighting shape

they just dont box anymore



the HW division is lacking in athletic talent because nobody special is going to boxing.
not because the athetes dont exist, dude.




and poet:
you've clearly never laced up a boxing glove.
have fun investing a sense of worth in yourself based on boxing knowledge aquired on internet forums
you are that clueless keyboard warrior on Bscene that naz richardson alludes to.



come to the east coast and i'll buy you a ticket to your first boxing match
we'll sit ringside so you can see what it's like.

[New England]

Your going back on yourself here,wlad has weak staminia and Holyfield would expose that weakness in a bad way,you really seem too be missing the point

what dont you guys get!??

i'm picking holyfield on attrition to win (among other factors, the firs tbeing htat he's just a superior fighter)



i'm defending wladimir's stamina (which is dependent on being economical because of his size)

he's not doomed to gassing out in 12 round fights (see his latest fights)


instead, it would be holyfield's qualities, not wladimir's inherent stamina issues (which we have outlined are based on a poor gameplan)
that won him the fight



nowhere did i say that wladimir's stamina is greater than holyfields
i never said it would bail him out against evander holyfield


holyfield would easily stop Wladimir
he's lightyears beyond wladimir in my eyes.


i said that it gets a bad wrap (especially around here) for losses that saw wladimir pace himself poorly and gas out


not because he's doomed to bad stamina
he's a world class athlete in tip top shape





again: a summary, because i dont think there's a ton of reading being done here


Wladimir is NOT doomed to a career with horrible stamina. he puts in the work and has the athletic ability to produce 12 rounds of boxing.



he must be economical with his 250 lb body (one of the largest fit bodies to ever box)
or he's going to gas


that's not a characteristic that dooms his stamina
thats biology
that's boxing. you cannot box like a wildman for 12 rounds (especially if you weigh that much)

[New England]

Your going back on yourself here,wlad has weak staminia and Holyfield would expose that weakness in a bad way,you really seem too be missing the point

a gigantic man running out of gas because he's not economical wit his body is not a sign of poor stamina. it might be.

but in wladimirs case we've seen him fight for 12 active HW rounds
proiving that he's not doomed to poor stamina
unless he doesnt pace himself
or he gets hit in the chin


if he's a sound 12 round boxer who paces himself correctly and still runs out of gas

thats a stamina problem


you dig it, brother? i'm not tryin to ruffle feathers or clog up the board. i'm just trying to throw in my two cents.


a 250 lb man is going to tire if he goes all out
and he's going to tire more quickly than a 147 lb man
or a 118 lb man, 200 lb man, etc.