Prime Holyfeild vs. Current Wlad

[Jim Jeffries]

I don't have punch stats for all of Wlad's fights, but since we're talking about current Wlad, here they are for his last one. As you can see, he threw 499 punches in less than 10 rounds, for an average of 50 or so. And his high punch output of 71 came in round 7, so I wouldn't exactly call his stamina dreadful.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/vi...-peter-rematch

Evander isn't going to knock out Wlad with a single punch, but he could force the pace to a point where Wlad does tire, and take him out then. I just don't think this is an easy fight for either guy.

[New England]

This is filler as you made my point for me when you wrote this:



A fighter's chin is something they're either born with or they aren't. Either they have it or they don't. It isn't something you can go out and get or work on to develope. Punch resistance is about the ability to absorb an accumulation of punishment rather than the ability to take a shot and not have your lights put out. Apples and oranges.

In anycase all this misses the larger point of "You don't need to be huge puncher to stop Wlad". The man has terrible stamina (see the first Brewster fight) that he masks with an extremely low punch output. He gets away with it because he's been fighting low caliber detritus. He isn't beating Holyfield by throwing 10 punches a round and if he picks up the pace he gasses and gets taken out. Pure and simple.

Poet

wlad throws a lot of punches for a modern HW.

you clearly just dont watch boxing.
the cat is out of the bag on that.



a fighter is not "Born with his chin"
he might be born with the blueprint of his chin
but he's got to grow into the man years without taking punishment to really take the best shots he can take.
or else he's still a boy when he's taking the punches (which wladimir was against purrity)
and he's going to take a punch like a boy.


the chin does develop
it gets better with age as the body matures and goes from boy to man.



but alas, i shouldn't expect you to listen to anything informed



why dont you "see the first brewster fight"
and look at all of the energy wladimir wasted flying out of the gate like a bat out of hell.


he's probably the best conditioned athlete in the division
one of the best in the sport.


he has tremendous stamina.

[Holtol]

Wladimir can not fight at a high tempo. He may throw 50 punches or more a round sometimes. But they are at a pace to his likeing. Its a lot diffrent when a higher pace is being forced on him. Another thing you can't train besides chin and power is endurance. Endurance is one of the most important things there is. You can make your endurance better with cardio training but after a couple years a person reaches their peak. You can not train a man to run 10 kilometers in under 30 minituts those people are just born that way.

Wladimir imo is simply boxing better which is helping him conserve energy and get hit less. His physical abilitys are likely very similar or in decline to what they once were, he just hides his weaknesses better these days. Wlad is most likely physicaly decling at this stage and is just making up for it with better boxing. Anyone who thinks people are more physicaly able in their mid 30s compared to their mid 20s, most likely has not reached the age of 30.

[young_robbed]

PLEASE... Holyfield knocks him out in 10 rounds man

[SCtrojansbaby]

Wlad's prime was circa Calvin Brock, Brewster II.

[StarshipTrooper]

wlad throws a lot of punches for a modern HW.

you clearly just dont watch boxing.
the cat is out of the bag on that.

a fighter is not "Born with his chin"
he might be born with the blueprint of his chin
but he's got to grow into the man years without taking punishment to really take the best shots he can take.
or else he's still a boy when he's taking the punches (which wladimir was against purrity)
and he's going to take a punch like a boy.

the chin does develop
it gets better with age as the body matures and goes from boy to man.

but alas, i shouldn't expect you to listen to anything informed

why dont you "see the first brewster fight"
and look at all of the energy wladimir wasted flying out of the gate like a bat out of hell.

he's probably the best conditioned athlete in the division
one of the best in the sport.

he has tremendous stamina.

Dude. Wlad gassed the **** out in the first Brewster fight. That doesn't speak to having "tremendous" stamina. Like everything else it proves you don't know what the **** you're talking about. Kind of like you thinking a chinless **** will go out and get one somewhere down the line. BTW, are you REALLY holding up the fat poorly condition jokes that are polluting the current Heavyweight as bench marks for stamina? :hahahaha9: You really ARE ******ed aren't you? :jerk0ff9:

Seriously dude. I've watched more boxing in any given ten year span of my life then you'll have watched by the time they shovel dirt over you so give it up Junior :cool9:

Poet

[Steak]

wow, I never thought Id hear that Wladimir had great stamina, even from a Klitschko fan.

Im sure hes a good athlete and everything, but theres no doubt he runs out of stamina quickly. probably because he still isnt very relaxed in the ring.

[Scott9945]

wow, I never thought Id hear that Wladimir had great stamina, even from a Klitschko fan.

Im sure hes a good athlete and everything, but theres no doubt he runs out of stamina quickly. probably because he still isnt very relaxed in the ring.

Stamina is the weakest part of Wladimir's game, not his chin like is popularly believed. I'm not saying his chin is good, but if it wasn't for stamina issues he would only have one loss in his career. His other two losses came when he was literally too exhausted to stand up.

[Scott9945]

Anyone who thinks people are more physicaly able in their mid 30s compared to their mid 20s, most likely has not reached the age of 30.

Definitely. You get smarter as you get older, but you don't get better reflexes.

[New England]

wow, I never thought Id hear that Wladimir had great stamina, even from a Klitschko fan.

Im sure hes a good athlete and everything, but theres no doubt he runs out of stamina quickly. probably because he still isnt very relaxed in the ring.

i'm not really a wladimir fan, if it was me you are talking about


he's a gigantic man.

he's going to run out of gas quickly if he goes too hard
that's a question of being economical with a giganitic body, and not his conditioning.



he's as well conditioned an athlete there is in the division right now.
he's never going to be able to throw 100 punches in a round