Top to ATG WW?

[Pastrano]

Well thats just silly, funny you give Oscar credit for beating Trinidad, even though he "ran". Even so you didn't respond to my arguments.

NOT THE LEAST. What Oscar did cannot be compared at all to what Leonard did. Oscar moved and boxed, he didn't clown. And totally reduced the fearsome Trinidad to nothing, showing how talented he really was. But fools like you can never understand or apreciate that.

You really must hate on white and lightskinned fighters.

[RubenSonny]

NOT THE LEAST. What Oscar did cannot be compared at all to what Leonard did. Oscar moved and boxed, he didn't clown. And totally reduced the fearsome Trinidad to nothing, showing how talented he really was. But fools like you can never understand or apreciate that.

You really must hate on white and lightskinned fighters.

Okay cool, but you still haven't responded to my post because it ripped your argument to shreds, run a long and make another racist thread and I will get it shut down....again.

[Pastrano]

Okay cool, but you still haven't responded to my post because it ripped your argument to shreds, run a long and make another racist thread and I will get it shut down....again.

Stop *****ing, *****. I responded to your POST. You are an extremely biased being and even tho I was polite to you and didn't insult you in any way, you go calling me names. I think we are just about done. No hard feelings but youre a waste of time.

[RubenSonny]

Stop *****ing, *****. I responded to your POST. You are an extremely biased being and even tho I was polite to you and didn't insult you in any way, you go calling me names. I think we are just about done. No hard feelings but youre a waste of time.

Yes you responded to one part of a very long post, you are just unable to account for the biased **** you spew, your rankings are clearly biased.

[Pastrano]

Yes you responded to one part of a very long post, you are just unable to account for the biased **** you spew, your rankings are clearly biased.

Ok, now Im gonna break with what I said and ask you to explain that. In WHAT way are they biased, because I put ODLH at nr.6?!? All the rest of the guys on that list are black or half black, if you are hinting at that kind of bias.

Or is it because I didn't put Leonard in the top 5?

[RubenSonny]

Ok, now Im gonna break with what I said and ask you to explain that. In WHAT way are they biased, because I put ODLH at nr.6?!? All the rest of the guys on that list are black or half black, if you are hinting at that kind of bias.

Or is it because I didn't put Leonard in the top 5?

Not at all just who you really like and don't like.

[Pastrano]

Not at all just who you really like and don't like.

I never said anything about that, did I? I just said I didn't like what SRL did in that No Mas fight.

[Steak]

Leonard didnt just have the Duran, Benitez, and Hearns wins at WW.(even thought those are outstanding on their own). Mayweather, Shields, Muniz, Ranzany, Gant, Price, Green, and Finch were all highly regarded in the division as well. I dont think people realise the body of work that Leonard accomplished pre-title, he started cleaining out the division even before he beat Benitez.

DLH would be difficult to rank. His WW career was full of controversy, the judging in the Whitaker, Quartey, and Trinidad fights have always been questioned. if he had clearly beaten all of them without question and then beaten Mosley, then you could rank him pretty highly at WW. but as it is....I dont know....

anyways, I dont know enough about the older eras of boxing to accurately give a full list myself. I believe I would end up doing an injustice to McLarnin, Corbett, Walker, Ross, etc.

[StarshipTrooper]

I'll only bother replying to this post, as we got guys who rate CERVANTES among the greatest WELTERS ever. Whitaker may have not been what he once was, but he was still a defensive maestro and that doesnt really take being in top shape to keep up. It was his first legitimate loss in the eyes of many, save Whitaker huggers who still claim Whitaker WON.

Camacho didnt look good vs Oscar, thats true. BUT that was because Oscar was damn incredible that night, very few welters of that time woulda done any better. I can see Buddy McGirt doing better for instance. Even he was past it then. Quartey didnt look HORRIBLE against Lopez, its just that Lopez was massively underrated and an excellent boxer with power. Quartey looked his best ever against Oscar. Oscar showed what he was made of that night. I dunno for sure, but I doubt Leonard coulda pulled off the same thing he pulled off. Not against iron chinned Quartey who had good stamina as well.

Chavez had grown into a natural ww by then, doesnt matter that he was still able to make 140, he WAS a legit welter. And he looked much better in that fight, hungrier and more aggressive, than in their first fight. Enuff said. Oscar doesn't get the credit he deserves because so many hate on him, its just sad.

Real simple: As far as I'm concerned "Junior" and "Super" weight classes are bogus and illegitimate and I don't acknowledge them. Old School 8 weight classes all the way. Don't like like it? Tough ****.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

Okay cool, but you still haven't responded to my post because it ripped your argument to shreds, run a long and make another racist thread and I will get it shut down....again.

Let me guess: Pastrano is a Die Antwood alt :rolleyes9: