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  • IronDanHamza
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    #41
    Originally posted by BigStereotype
    I know, I know! I felt really awkward putting him on there but I can't deny it. I love watching that dude fight, even if he is a piece of shit.

    And come on, he's not worse than Monzon and I've seen him on like ten lists!
    The difference is what Monzon did was outside the ring and in his personal life. What Margarito did was intended to be inside the ring, and the fact he tried to cheat is a key reason.

    Margarito is a boxing disgrace. Monzon is a disgrace to humanity.

    But of course, this isn't a humanity forum.

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    • BigStereotype
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      #42
      Originally posted by IronDanHamza
      The difference is what Monzon did was outside the ring and in his personal life. What Margarito did was intended to be inside the ring, and the fact he tried to cheat is a key reason.

      Margarito is a boxing disgrace. Monzon is a disgrace to humanity.

      But of course, this isn't a humanity forum.
      That is true, I never thought of it like that. But I don't think he cheated against Cotto, so there is that. I think that he tried to live up to the hype against Mosley, knew that he was fighting a tougher opponent than everybody realized and tried to cheat to compensate. It's still reprehensible, but I don't believe that he ever successfully used the loaded gloves.

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      • IronDanHamza
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        #43
        Originally posted by BigStereotype
        That is true, I never thought of it like that. But I don't think he cheated against Cotto, so there is that. I think that he tried to live up to the hype against Mosley, knew that he was fighting a tougher opponent than everybody realized and tried to cheat to compensate. It's still reprehensible, but I don't believe that he ever successfully used the loaded gloves.
        We will never know and that's just how it is. Everything to do with the Cotto fight is speculation but it obviously leaves a huge question mark above the fight and frankly most of his career. Regardless to who believes it or not.

        And even if he didn't load his gloves in any fight of his career besides Mosley and regarldess to if he has never actually used them in the ring, the fact is he tried to cheat against Mosley that potentially could have killed him.

        It's inexcusable.

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        • Holtol
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          #44
          Originally posted by IronDanHamza
          We will never know and that's just how it is. Everything to do with the Cotto fight is speculation but it obviously leaves a huge question mark above the fight and frankly most of his career. Regardless to who believes it or not.

          And even if he didn't load his gloves in any fight of his career besides Mosley and regarldess to if he has never actually used them in the ring, the fact is he tried to cheat against Mosley that potentially could have killed him.

          It's inexcusable.
          Mosley has been caught for cheating also. If you knew someone was cheating and you were about to get beaten to a pulp would you not try to even the playing field ? Hand wraps are always checked I doubt Margarito has ever got away with loaded gloves. I would not be so quick to point fingers.

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          • IronDanHamza
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            #45
            Originally posted by Holtol
            Mosley has been caught for cheating also. If you knew someone was cheating and you were about to get beaten to a pulp would you not try to even the playing field ? Hand wraps are always checked I doubt Margarito has ever got away with loaded gloves. I would not be so quick to point fingers.
            He hasn't. But he has admitted his use of PED's but I don't like Shane Mosley either personally.

            How am I pointing the finger? I never accused Margarito of using hand wraps in all of his fights....I merely said Margarito has a question mark over his career, that's all. Do I personally believe he has used him his entire career? No.

            What I do know is he tried to use them for 1 of his fights. To me that's inexcusable. But that's just my opinion.

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            • Holtol
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              #46
              Originally posted by IronDanHamza
              He hasn't. But he has admitted his use of PED's but I don't like Shane Mosley either personally.

              How am I pointing the finger? I never accused Margarito of using hand wraps in all of his fights....I merely said Margarito has a question mark over his career, that's all. Do I personally believe he has used him his entire career? No.

              What I do know is he tried to use them for 1 of his fights. To me that's inexcusable. But that's just my opinion.
              I think its unfair to blame Margarito when it may have just been an attempt at self defence.

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              • IronDanHamza
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                #47
                Originally posted by Holtol
                I think its unfair to blame Margarito when it may have just been an attempt at self defence.
                I disagree, but to each it's own.

                Mosley last fight didn't suggest he was using PED's and even if he was it doesn't really mean it's ok.

                The fact Margarito's actions are being justified because his opponent might be using PED's shows boxing needs more sufficent drug testing.

                But that's another story for another day.

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                • Holtol
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                  I disagree, but to each it's own.

                  Mosley last fight didn't suggest he was using PED's and even if he was it doesn't really mean it's ok.

                  The fact Margarito's actions are being justified because his opponent might be using PED's shows boxing needs more sufficent drug testing.

                  But that's another story for another day.
                  I don't think drug testing will ever work. It pretty easy to bribe someone doing the testing. You will always have liars and cheats when there is money involved. I don't like that athletes have to use peds either to compete.

                  Its allways bothered me the way Margarito gets treated. Because I think he payed the price for cheating while there are guys getting away with it. Those are the guys that really bother me lol. I Just don't know who they are.

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                  • Scott9945
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                    #49
                    Originally posted by Holtol
                    I think its unfair to blame Margarito when it may have just been an attempt at self defence.
                    There isn't one shred of evidence that Margarito ever fought with loaded gloves or knew what his trainer did to his wraps.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Scott9945
                      There isn't one shred of evidence that Margarito ever fought with loaded gloves or knew what his trainer did to his wraps.
                      Other than he was caught with his gloves loaded: That's what the FBI refers to as a "clue".

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