were whitaker and hagler technical ******s?

[BigStereotype]

We should all be so ******ed...

[RubenSonny]

We should all be so ******ed...

Off such a great topic but what happened to history section HOF it was aseriously good idea.

[BigStereotype]

Off such a great topic but what happened to history section HOF it was aseriously good idea.

Thanks, I'm glad you liked it, but I was having trouble stirring up any interest beyond like four people...I still want to do it, though. I think I'll bump it if people are still interested.

[The_Demon]

I think that guy should retire from posting,just a suggestion

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Hagler was a ring genius. He was an excellent counter punch when defensive, and on the offensive, he carefully picked his shots such as in the Hearns Brawl, where he brawled "technichally" so to speak.

And he must not have watched whitaker.

Everything you say is right, except the ring genius part. All my life Hagler has been my fav or #2 fav fighter, and I cannot avoid seeing how he was not a smart fighter at the level of strategy. Even as skilled as he was, he sometimes made dumb choices.

[DarkTerror88]

Everything you say is right, except the ring genius part. All my life Hagler has been my fav or #2 fav fighter, and I cannot avoid seeing how he was not a smart fighter at the level of strategy. Even as skilled as he was, he sometimes made dumb choices.

I think that sometimes he could have made better choices than he did, but he did make many good choices.

1.) He made master Boxer Tommy Hearns Brawl with him, that was his plan, regardless of the leg massage situation.

2.) He respected Mugabi's power and counter punched with him until he got drained of energy.

however you make a valid point. but he was still one of the most complete fighters i have ever seen.

And off topic, while watching the Duran fight, something seemed..."off" about Hagler that night to me. Was something wrong with him, or was it because he was fighting Roberto Friggin Duran?

[young_robbed]

hagler was very technically sound actually so was whitaker so i don't see how he can even use that comparison lol

[Thread Stealer]

If I could fight like this, I wouldn't mind being a "technical ******"

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I think that sometimes he could have made better choices than he did, but he did make many good choices.

1.) He made master Boxer Tommy Hearns Brawl with him, that was his plan, regardless of the leg massage situation.

2.) He respected Mugabi's power and counter punched with him until he got drained of energy.

however you make a valid point. but he was still one of the most complete fighters i have ever seen.

And off topic, while watching the Duran fight, something seemed..."off" about Hagler that night to me. Was something wrong with him, or was it because he was fighting Roberto Friggin Duran?

I think by the time he fought Duran, he showed some subtle sign of slippage. He did not look that sharp, but that's also cos he was fighting Duran of course. I think he should have been more aggressive in that fight, but as we noted against Antuofermo and Leonard, sometimes he just took took too long adapt (that being said, I have Hagler winning the 1st Antuofermo fight).

Those signs of slippage went of course unnoticed in the Hearns fight. Personally I do not think Hearns would ever beat Hagler, leg massage or not, broken hand or not. His shaky chin, questionable stamine, and aggressive attitude, coupled with Hagler's chin, stamina and skills, would have prevented Hearns from surviving any title fight length (and I have my doubts on 10 rounds too)

Those signs of slippage appeared (to me, at least) clear as daylight in the Mugabi fight. I think his counters were not sharp by then, but I would not count that against him in terms of smarts. That was just father time. What I count against him is that he could have employed more movement, and he would have eaten much less leather than he ended up doing.

Then we come to the Leonard fight in which we saw the biggest tactical mistake of Hagler's career of course, but it pisses me off to even think about the fight and the circumstances before and after it.

This is how I see the last years of Hagler's reign. Of course I would not say he is a dumb fighter, but if you could measure his ring IQ, next to his level of skills and natural talent, it is definitely his weak point. The only other "problems" I have with Hagler is that while he used his own movement very well, he had more trouble than you would expect in dealing with others' evasive movement (most fighters do though, and Hagler had the stamina to make sure he would eventually catch most preys) and his left hand was somewhat weak not just in terms of power, however he plenty made up for that by being the smoothest switch hitter I ever saw. So to reiterate my point. In Hagler I see a 99% fighting machine, with an 80% driver, and that is also his corner's fault, but Hagler was not the type of man to "betray" those he started out with, and pick a world level trainer.

They don't make them like him anymore!

[JAB5239]

Mr. Barack ***** (who posts on another forum) thinks so. unfortunately not many ppl discuss these two there.

well i disagree with him 100%

i would like to ask you guys

Did he give any reasons as to why he thought they were "technically ******ed"? If not it's a very baffling statement. If so, Im pretty sure I still wouldn't agree.