Ring No1 rated 1950 vs 2000 who wins

[Wild Blue Yonda]

Saddler knocked out three Lightweights.

Is this the versions of the fighters in that specific year, BTW (1950 & 2000)? If so, I cannot see Joe Louis beating Lennox Lewis.

[Scott9945]

I don't see any way you can explain that statement. He had 144 wins and 103 KO's was the first time to stop Wille Pep and has a ATG straight right and left hook.

If the Ring's greatest punchers means anything to you (I question it's credibility as there is a few peculier spots) Saddler is #5 and Naseem Hamed is #46 and this was compiled in 2003.

http://boxing.about.com/od/history/a/ring_punchers.htm

I'm not saying he would have beaten Sandy Saddler, but Hamed should be higher than #46. He could really crack. Saddler's longevity and consistently was apparently the factor here. Any top 100 punchers list that has Leotis Martin on it can't be taken too seriously though.

[BennyST]

Joe Louis KO8
Ray Robinson UD
Moore without a doubt get's a KO here.
Kid Gavlain Stoppage or Mosley close Decision depending on no of rounds.
Pick 'em
Saddler TKO
Ortiz

I don't really think Gavilan was a hard enough puncher to stop Mosley. You would have to be a Hearns/Jackson type puncher to stop Mosley in my opinion. Mosley, among his other gifts, has an ATG chin. I think the fight would be a war of epic proportions and very difficult for both guys, but I don't think there is a chance of Gavilan stopping Mosley. I could see him outworking Mosley. They were both pretty similar in the way they went about fights.

Both lacked defense somewhat, and both had excellent speed and good overall technique but just loved to fight. I think Gavilan however could box a little better than Mosley along with his brawling ability. Would be very exciting I think.

As for the rest;
The first one is interesting. I don't think a 1950 Louis would beat a 2000 Lewis. Before the 50's came along I would take Louis but not the 50's version.

Hard fight to pick. Could go either way, but I think I'd go with Moore landing a brutal temple shot after going down himself a couple of times and looking on the verge of being beaten.

I think Hopkins at middleweight would have snuck by Robinson with a very close decision in a cagey, cautious fight. A bit too big I think and Ray was still often coming in as a welterweight in 1950. Robinson sneaks it in the rematch though by fighting with speed and boxing much more in another cagey fight in which Hopkins gives away too many early rounds.

Gavilan outworks Mosley in a brawl that starts out reasonably slowly with Gavilan boxing well and Mosley taking some clean right hands from the outside. Both have their spots and both get hit quite a lot. Mosley's amazing speed and combinations trouble Gavilan, but Gavilan's relentless pace and conditioning and own combinations have Mosley tired in spots and giving away points especially late with the beautiful right hand of Gavilan's that Mosley has trouble defending against. Good, hard, very close fight.

Hmmm, Williams was not at his best and was all but done by '50. Whether Castillo could even make 135 is a different story altogether in an older era. I'll take Castillo though by SD at that stage. Castillo in his prime and Williams at the end of his.

Fascinating fight. How would Hamed's power punching, unorthodox style match up with someone who would get inside, as well as have a big height and reach advantage on the outside, and not allow Hamed to shoot from his angles and with the range he liked? How would he have reacted to someone not falling for his feints and not being cautious, but roughing him up and smothering him to the point he is getting frustrated? I think Saddler takes him in an incredibly mauling, smothering, rough affair with Saddler hurt and frustrated early in some spots and with Hamed going down a few times over the fight and losing after being battered around, cut, etc and losing his composure late in the fight and just going for the single KO shot.

Ortiz didn't have his skills left by 1950 and would have been simply outworked by a peak Ayala at his very best with Ortiz at the end.

Rinty Monaghan wasn't fighting in 1950 so I don't think he would win a fight he wasn't in. But, if we take Monaghan who hadn't yet retired, I think Morel with his significant height and reach advantage and in his absolute prime years with excellent skill and underrated power would take a close decision with the version of Monaghan who fought Allen in his last fight in '49.

Fun thread.