If Mike Tyson was around 1963-80, would he have won a title?

[sonnyboyx2]

Why the Lewis hate?

Have you ever fought? If so was it at that level? I ask because you seem to disrespect many very good fighters here. Most if not all are classed as good to very good fighters by knowledge people.

where is the hate?.... it is called analysing

lets read your take on it or are you incapable of putting up a case.

[MickyHatton]

thats because i have "opened-your-eyes" to how it actually happened.. i ain't after your respect or anyone else respect and i do not disrespect fighters like you claim i do, i tell it like it unfolded and how seen it unfold wether you like it or not is immaterial to me yet never do you say that i am wrong

Yep you have definitely opened my eyes to something.

You do not disrespect fighters?

Your words below:

Vitali Klitschko - steroid freak/quitter, who has never beaten a fighter rated above Class D with Herbie Hide being his biggest win.

2/. Evander Holyfield - Over-the-hill who Lewis fought to a draw then won very debatable decision over.

3/. David Tua - Fattest man to ever fight for title who lost every time he fought an opponent rated above Class C

4/. Mike Tyson - 12yrs past his best since losing to Douglas & 6yrs since being finished off by Holyfield, served several lengthy prison sentences during that time and was also well publicized narcotics abuser as well as prescribed anti-depressant user and a shell of the once ATG fighter of the mid 1980s

5/. Ray Mercer - On the decline and slipping down the rankings after being schooled by 41yr old Larry Holmes then out-boxed & out-fought by journeyman Jesse Ferguson and coming into fight off back of a brutal beating from come-backing Evander Holyfield yet lost highly debatable decision to Lewis.

6/. Tommy Morrison - Hard-core steroid abuser who was HIV positive and badly on the slide after brutal KO loss to Mercer then suffered humiliating one-round KO beating to limited journeyman Michael Bent and could only draw with clubfighter Ross Purity who's record was 8-8

[MickyHatton]

where is the hate?.... it is called analysing

lets read your take on it or are you incapable of putting up a case.

Answer his question before you ask him another.

[sonnyboyx2]

^^^None of these men had the heart of the Roided-Superman-Holyfield of the 90's, or the raw punching power of David Tua. None of them were as enormous and invincible as Vitali Klitschko.

Berbick, Tubbs and Pinklon Thomas were Don King created hoaxes and arent even worth mentioning.

Spinks was an ATG Light-Heavyweight and I consider it tysons 2nd best win. My problem with this is that it was a scared, bloated, LHW going up against a prime devastating Heavyweight. Tyson had a speed advantage as well as a weight advantage, Spinks had no chance.

Larry Holmes is Tysons best win, and he was two decades older. I thought it was an impressive KO victory and have nothing negative to say about it.

What a load of B@ll****e you talk..

Spinks was the Heavyweight Champion of the World and a former undisputed Light-Heavyweight champion just like Holyfield was the former undisputed cruiserweight champion.... why keep claiming the man to be a bloated Light-Heavyweight?..... he twice defeated the undefeated Larry Holmes, he hammered 6ft 7ins Gerry Cooney and was the Heavyweight Champion so stop calling him a bloated Light-Heavy so as to try to make him out to be a "Bag of Duff"

Berbick, Tubbs and Pinklon Thomas were Don King created hoaxes and arent even worth mentioning.... Laughable.. they was all very very good fighters and Don King was the greatest promoter in the history of this sport... you talk as if these fighters had no skills or never fought decent fighters.. yet the reality of it is that they was vastly more skilled than any Heavyweight fighter since and they fought Top competition which produced exciting and evenly matched fights unlike the boring mis-matches todays promoters expect the fans to cough up money to view on PPV.... The Top 10 Heavyweights of the 1980s easily beat the Top 10 Heavyweights of the 1990s & 2000s.

David Tua... who did he ever KO with this "Raw Punching-Power"?...Tua had zero boxing ability and would be slaughtered by fighters like Berbick, Thomas & Tubbs.

enormous and invincible as Vitali Klitschko... laughable
Vitali is no bigger than Gerry Cooney and certainly does not have the strength or power of Cooney... Vitali's greatest victory is over Herbie Hide and Vitali has been convicted of steroid abuse... watching Vitali's title fights is as funny as watching Charlie Chaplin boxing the guy is terrible at every aspect of the sport and is terrified to fight any fighter with a pulse

[sonnyboyx2]

Yep you have definitely opened my eyes to something.

You do not disrespect fighters?

Your words below:

Vitali Klitschko - steroid freak/quitter, who has never beaten a fighter rated above Class D with Herbie Hide being his biggest win.

2/. Evander Holyfield - Over-the-hill who Lewis fought to a draw then won very debatable decision over.

3/. David Tua - Fattest man to ever fight for title who lost every time he fought an opponent rated above Class C

4/. Mike Tyson - 12yrs past his best since losing to Douglas & 6yrs since being finished off by Holyfield, served several lengthy prison sentences during that time and was also well publicized narcotics abuser as well as prescribed anti-depressant user and a shell of the once ATG fighter of the mid 1980s

5/. Ray Mercer - On the decline and slipping down the rankings after being schooled by 41yr old Larry Holmes then out-boxed & out-fought by journeyman Jesse Ferguson and coming into fight off back of a brutal beating from come-backing Evander Holyfield yet lost highly debatable decision to Lewis.

6/. Tommy Morrison - Hard-core steroid abuser who was HIV positive and badly on the slide after brutal KO loss to Mercer then suffered humiliating one-round KO beating to limited journeyman Michael Bent and could only draw with clubfighter Ross Purity who's record was 8-8

That is not disrespect... That is whats called FACTS and if you don't think it is FACTS then prove me wrong...

Lets look at what i have claimed.

1/. are you claiming Vitali has not been convicted of steroid abuse?
2/. are you claiming Vitali did not quit against Chris Byrd?
3/. are you claiming Vitali's best win is not Herbie Hide?
4/. are you claiming Holyfield was NOT over the hill when fighting Lewis?
5/. are you claiming Holyfield v Lewis (2) was NOT a controversial decision?
6/. are you claiming Tua was not the fattest man to ever fight for the title?
7/. are you claiming Morrison was not HIV?
8/. are you claiming Tyson was not years past his best?

[sonnyboyx2]

^^^None of these men had the heart of the Roided-Superman-Holyfield of the 90's, or the raw punching power of David Tua. None of them were as enormous and invincible as Vitali Klitschko.

Berbick, Tubbs and Pinklon Thomas were Don King created hoaxes and arent even worth mentioning.

Spinks was an ATG Light-Heavyweight and I consider it tysons 2nd best win. My problem with this is that it was a scared, bloated, LHW going up against a prime devastating Heavyweight. Tyson had a speed advantage as well as a weight advantage, Spinks had no chance.

Larry Holmes is Tysons best win, and he was two decades older. I thought it was an impressive KO victory and have nothing negative to say about it.

it is claimed i "disrespect fighters" yet i have stated a factual case for them.. whereas Joeyzagz here is claiming fighters like Berbick, Thomas & Tubbs are not even worth mentioning because they was nothing other than Don King hoaxes..... so what he is saying is those fighters should just be erased from history, their careers was meaningless and Don King was a fraud... yet the reality of it is that Don King was the greatest promoter of all times and put on the best fights of all times with evenly matched fights on huge PPV cards which included superstar fighters fighting superstar fighters like for example:
Julio Cesar Chavez vs Pernell Whitaker
Julian Jackson vs Gerald McClellan
Chicita Gonzalez vs Michael Carbahal
Pinklon Thomas vs Trevor Berbick

All on the same bill for a cost of £10 for PPV boxing fans.. compared to todays promoters who would put a fight on like David Haye vs Audley Harrison plus a couple of mis-matches between clubfighters for a cost to boxing fans of £16.99

Don King is hugely missed today in the sport of boxing which is why the sport is at its lowest ever level.. the 1980s & 1990s was a fantastic era in boxing because promoters like Don King made the fights the fans wanted to see unlike today

[Joeyzagz]

What a load of B@ll****e you talk..

Spinks was the Heavyweight Champion of the World and a former undisputed Light-Heavyweight champion just like Holyfield was the former undisputed cruiserweight champion.... why keep claiming the man to be a bloated Light-Heavyweight?..... he twice defeated the undefeated Larry Holmes, he hammered 6ft 7ins Gerry Cooney and was the Heavyweight Champion so stop calling him a bloated Light-Heavy so as to try to make him out to be a "Bag of Duff"

Michael Spinks was doing what Pacquiao is doing now.

Picking on old, slow, big guys and calling himself a champion of a higher weight class.

Pacquiao/Spinks look great against a Margarito/Cooney type fighter. But if they fought a prime, quick, elite member of their weight class like Martinez/Tyson they would get absolutely obliterated.

[Toney616]

Michael Spinks was doing what Pacquiao is doing now.

Picking on old, slow, big guys and calling himself a champion of a higher weight class.

Holmes was past prime, but still a top fighter (and Linear champ) when Spinks moved up. Its a great win for Spinks

[sonnyboyx2]

Michael Spinks was doing what Pacquiao is doing now.

Picking on old, slow, big guys and calling himself a champion of a higher weight class.

Pacquiao/Spinks look great against a Margarito/Cooney type fighter. But if they fought a prime, quick, elite member of their weight class like Martinez/Tyson they would get absolutely obliterated.

so you are claiming that Manny Pacquiao & Sergio Martinez are the same weight class?

Spinks lost to Tyson not because he was a Light-Heavyweight but because Tyson KOd him

[sonnyboyx2]

Michael Spinks was doing what Pacquiao is doing now.

Picking on old, slow, big guys and calling himself a champion of a higher weight class.

Pacquiao/Spinks look great against a Margarito/Cooney type fighter. But if they fought a prime, quick, elite member of their weight class like Martinez/Tyson they would get absolutely obliterated.

are you claiming Manny Pacquioa is NOT the world champion in the higher weight classes he has won the world titles in?

or that he has won those titles by default or fraudulently ?