Floyd Mayweather Jr. on an all-time level

[Tiozzo]

In my view he is ATG. He doesn't appear to have weaknesses, and if he does he sure knows how to hide them, because i can't see them. I will say that his refelxes and speed have declined in the last few years.

But he has great skills. You don't see any of today's champs or great fighters consistently employing check hooks and pull counters with brilliant success. Hell most of them can't even execute these 2 moves. Floyd pull countered JMM and SSM to death and KO'd Hatton with a check left hook.

Great footwork moving backwards and forwards. Not a one handed fighter. I would actually argue his left hook is his best punch. Most prob think it's his right hand. He goes to body and head. He is in shape.

i think there is not doubt he is on an att time level. I don't think therer has been doubts about that in most people's minds for a long time.

his left hook is definitely his best punch, but as you said, he's a two-handed fighter, so he has a good right hand

[JAB5239]

In my view he is ATG. He doesn't appear to have weaknesses, and if he does he sure knows how to hide them, because i can't see them. I will say that his refelxes and speed have declined in the last few years.

But he has great skills. You don't see any of today's champs or great fighters consistently employing check hooks and pull counters with brilliant success. Hell most of them can't even execute these 2 moves. Floyd pull countered JMM and SSM to death and KO'd Hatton with a check left hook.

Great footwork moving backwards and forwards. Not a one handed fighter. I would actually argue his left hook is his best punch. Most prob think it's his right hand. He goes to body and head. He is in shape.

i think there is not doubt he is on an att time level. I don't think therer has been doubts about that in most people's minds for a long time.

His skill is all time, his resume (at least amongst the elite) isn't. History judges fighters by who they fought and should have fought. Personally I think he would have beaten everyone who many would argue he ducked. By why would anyone rank him higher than those who actually took tougher challenges through out their careers?

[Obama]

why would anyone rank him higher than those who actually took tougher challenges through out their careers?

Depends if they failed the challenges or not. Most did, or should have if judges knew how to score.

The ones that didn't fail, I'll rate them over Floyd any day. But it's a short list. People need to stop rewarding fighters for getting beaten.

[sonnyboyx2]

Floyd is a very good fighter but IMO not an ATG.. if he was to be matched in a fight at 147lbs against Emile Griffith in a h2h i see Floyd being knocked-out

[mrboxer]

Even though he's an active fighter, I wanted to make a thread about him in this section because I wanna know what people will think of him historically.

Do you think he's one of the most skilled fighters of all-time? Which all-time greats, from the divisions he fought in, could and couldn't have beaten him?

in his main weight class he is inthe top 10 of all time greats

[Kid McCoy]

Depends if they failed the challenges or not. Most did, or should have if judges knew how to score.

The ones that didn't fail, I'll rate them over Floyd any day. But it's a short list. People need to stop rewarding fighters for getting beaten.

They should also stop rewarding fighters who protect their records by picking their fights carefully. I give more credit to someone who has taken loads of tough fights, even if they lose a few, than one who builds up a great record against average opposition.

[StarshipTrooper]

They should also stop rewarding fighters who protect their records by picking their fights carefully. I give more credit to someone who has taken loads of tough fights, even if they lose a few, than one who builds up a great record against average opposition.

Co-sign. It's more impressive to 14-2 against a tough schedual than 14-0 against the J-V.

Poet

[BattlingNelson]

There's no denying that Floyd is highly skilled. As mentioned in the thread however, it counts against him that several fighters are missing on his resumé and it's resumé that counts when you gauge boxers in the ATG sense.

[Obama]

They should also stop rewarding fighters who protect their records by picking their fights carefully. I give more credit to someone who has taken loads of tough fights, even if they lose a few, than one who builds up a great record against average opposition.

Co-sign. It's more impressive to 14-2 against a tough schedual than 14-0 against the J-V.

Poet

You two under rate Floyd's resume. And context is important here. You don't compare his resume to people that get beat. You compare it to people that didn't. Floyd by far has the best undefeated resume of all time. It's not remotely debatable.

[StarshipTrooper]

You two under rate Floyd's resume. And context is important here. You don't compare his resume to people that get beat. You compare it to people that didn't. Floyd by far has the best undefeated resume of all time. It's not remotely debatable.

Oh yes you do. You ask yourself would Floyd have gone 42-0 against Duran's (or whoever's) opponents. Steelers 14-2 in '78 > Dolphins 14-0 in '72. Miami faced much weaker opposition. Show me someone with no losses and I'll show you someone with a weak-azz resume. It's more impressive to lose to Ray Leonard in a close fight than win comfortably over an overrated Diego Corrales. The class of your opposition counts for more than any "0".

Poet