Louis's Resume Greater Than Ali's Resume Of Wins, Can It Be Justified?

[RubenSonny]

I'm not sure, but I think he may have meant All-Time as in P4P and not just HW (because you said "ANY weight class").



I feel the same about Louis, though. He's my personal favorite heavyweight of any era, but it's impossible to find a valid argument for placing his Greatness above Ali's.

Yes that is what I meant bro, I do agree with both of you, Ali has to be number 1 HW.

[StarshipTrooper]

I'm not sure, but I think he may have meant All-Time as in P4P and not just HW (because you said "ANY weight class").

I feel the same about Louis, though. He's my personal favorite heavyweight of any era, but it's impossible to find a valid argument for placing his Greatness above Ali's.

The only problem with p4p is that only 10 pounds separate their prime weights.....not something that to my mind would make a significant difference. But that's just me. Personally I'd LOVE someone to be able to convince me that Louis is the Heavyweight GOAT but it just hasn't happend yet.....JAB has tried but I just can't get past Ali's speed.

Poet

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

The only problem with p4p is that only 10 pounds separate their prime weights.....not something that to my mind would make a significant difference. But that's just me. Personally I'd LOVE someone to be able to convince me that Louis is the Heavyweight GOAT but it just hasn't happend yet.....JAB has tried but I just can't get past Ali's speed.

Poet

Sorry, man, we're getting our wires crossed. When I say P4P I just mean your ATG list period. I think rubensonnny was asking if Ali topped yours, because you said his was the finest record of any fighter in any division.

[RubenSonny]

The only problem with p4p is that only 10 pounds separate their prime weights.....not something that to my mind would make a significant difference. But that's just me. Personally I'd LOVE someone to be able to convince me that Louis is the Heavyweight GOAT but it just hasn't happend yet.....JAB has tried but I just can't get past Ali's speed.

Poet

Sorry, man, we're getting our wires crossed. When I say P4P I just mean your ATG list period. I think rubensonnny was asking if Ali topped yours, because you said his was the finest record of any fighter in any division.

yes road is correct haha thanks btw.

[StarshipTrooper]

Sorry, man, we're getting our wires crossed. When I say P4P I just mean your ATG list period. I think rubensonnny was asking if Ali topped yours, because you said his was the finest record of any fighter in any division.

Oh I got it.....No, I don't put Heavyweights on p4p lists and I don't base rankings on resume alone in any case. I have Robinson #1 p4p.

Poet

[RubenSonny]

Oh I got it.....No, I don't put Heavyweights on p4p lists and I don't base rankings on resume alone in any case. I have Robinson #1 p4p.

Poet

Okay fair enough but do you rank Alis resume as the best of all time? because that is what I thought you were saying in your the original post.

[StarshipTrooper]

Okay fair enough but do you rank Alis resume as the best of all time? because that is what I thought you were saying in your the original post.

Yes, it's by far the best resume I've ever seen.

Poet

[RubenSonny]

Yes, it's by far the best resume I've ever seen.

Poet

Better than Langford, Robinson or Greb

[StarshipTrooper]

Better than Langford, Robinson or Greb

Yes, overall quality vs quantity.

Poet

[Greatest1942]

The only problem with p4p is that only 10 pounds separate their prime weights.....not something that to my mind would make a significant difference. But that's just me. Personally I'd LOVE someone to be able to convince me that Louis is the Heavyweight GOAT but it just hasn't happend yet.....JAB has tried but I just can't get past Ali's speed.

Poet

I won't try where Jab failed but to ask you a question. Please stay with me

When I watch George Chuvalo vs Ali , I see that the slow George (slower than a prime Louis anyway), getting to Ali and really getting to Ali with his body shots. Louis could not do the same? Or other ATG greats? Or do you believe that the damage they will do if they landed like George did will be the same?

When I see Eddie Futch's plan for Norton and read what Louis said about Ali it seems to be the same. When I see Louis parry Jabs I see he can do as Norton did.

To sum it up do you think Louis was not fast enough to do what George did or not skill full enough to do what Norton did (take him to the ropes parry his jab , jab with him etc).

Ali was fast but as I see it even in his prime (of speed) , guys like Chuvalo got to him and ****** his body. I don't see why Louis or other ATG greats could not do so too.

And I diifer about the resumes, I believe quality quantity wise Sugar Ray, Greb ,Sam have the better resumes.

Amongst heavy's as for the better record Louis has it. Better percentage against top 10 contenders, lesser losses , more Ko% etc. But I will agree that Ali fought better fighters like Foreman, Frazier Liston (top 10 heavys) etc.

I have no problem if you rank Ali at #1. Ali or Louis as #1 heavys is okay with me.