Your scorecard: 1986 bout between Mike Tyson and Quick Tillis

[Toney616]

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He's a rapist.

questionable

His out of the ring actions were a disgrace to boxing.

True

His skills in his prime are grossly overrated

Not really, he had great skills- but abandoned them to become a 1d head hunter

He had one skill-set and couldn't adapt for crap.

Alot of fighters are like that

He was incredibly boring to watch.

Your opinion

He flat-out quit in matches.

True, like Duran, Oscar, Vitali, Liston , Roy Jones, Hopkins

He crumbled at any sign of adversity.

Not really, think Ruddock I and II

He couldn't be bothered to even train for a title defense in 1990.

lol, im sure that have been plenty of fighters who are guilty of doing the same thing

In short, he represents the opposite of everything a great athlete should be. I respect fighters, and athletes in general, who conduct themselves with class on and off the field (as opposed to trying to eat their opponents), who train hard, and who can overcome adversity as opposed to folding up and quitting. Tyson was champion of the world in the 80s and basically just gave up on himself.

And he is the one who has to live with that

I have more respect for a club fighter who is 2-20 who busted his butt to earn those two wins, than I do for a guy like Tyson who had all the potential in the world and simply couldn't be bothered with it once things got tough.

Partially true

And yet somehow Tyson convinced fanboys into believing he should be ranked alongside greats like Robinson and Greb.

Ive never heard any Tyson fan say that

[Toney616]

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Ali
-Openly racist
-Brought Don King into boxing
-Refused to take part in the civil rights movement
-Betrayed Malcolm X
-Did his best to turn Black Americans against Frazier
-Smacked his first wife around
-Preached at kkk meetings
-Called for the murder of mixed race couples
-Had his hands numbed before fights
-Had orgy's the day before fights and relied on star struck judges to give him undeserved wins
-Clinched as a form of strategy, pulled opponents heads down to tire their necks and backs

[Toney616]

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He's a rapist.

Ali called for the death of Malcolm x and was glad when it happened

His out of the ring actions were a disgrace to boxing.

Ali joined a loony racist religious cult, called civil rights activists uncle toms and did his best to disrupt fraziers life

"Ali has now joined with the forces we are fighting against"-Martin Luther King
"Malcolm X deserves to die"- Ali

His skills in his prime are grossly overrated

So was Alis, who tended to rely on conditioning, durabilty and excessive clinching to win a lot of his fights

He had one skill-set and couldn't adapt for crap.

Which is why Norton always gave Ali fits

He was incredibly boring to watch.

I found most of Alis post exile fights, tedious to watch

He flat-out quit in matches.

Ali never quit, but towards the back end of his career he had Pacheco inject his hands with cortisone shots to numb them. Which allowed him to hit harder and longer than he naturally should of been able to

He crumbled at any sign of adversity.

Not true for Tyson or Ali

He couldn't be bothered to even train for a title defense in 1990.

Ali was the same, he used to to have orgys though out camps which is why he spent so much time rope a doping

In short, he represents the opposite of everything a great athlete should be. I respect fighters, and athletes in general, who conduct themselves with class on and off the field

Which of course means you are not a fan of Ali either.....right?

[SBleeder]

It has everything to do with it. Ali was way worse than Tyson with his out of the ring antics, not to mention his cheating in the ring

Lol. Way worse than Tyson, huh? Did Ali **** a woman?

By the way, your rants about Ali don't change anything about Tyson. At best, it proves I'm a hypocrite... but you still worship a rapist.

[SonnyboyReturns]

It has everything to do with it. Ali was way worse than Tyson with his out of the ring antics, not to mention his cheating in the ring

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[Toney616]

Lol. Way worse than Tyson, huh? Did Ali **** a woman?

What is your evidence that Tyson ****d her? Even the jury after they had heard a lot of the evidence that the defense wasn't allowed to use, had serious doubts about whether justice had been carried out.

By the way, your rants about Ali don't change anything about Tyson. At best, it proves I'm a hypocrite...

Which was my point all along

but you still worship a rapist.

I don't worship the dude and I don't think he ****d her either. Before his sentencing the judge told him that she would give Tyson a much more lenient sentence if he admitted to his crime. Tyson said, "I cant do that, because I haven't done anything and I would rather serve the whole sentence(6 years) than admit to something I just didn't do"

Think about that

[jason100x]

i had it 6 4 for tyson. Tillis was remarkable that night. Slightly REminiscent of ali IMO.

Tillis had one helluva game plan.

Yeah, Tillis was within range of pulling off a big upset.

[Toney616]

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Surely you have a better response than this?

Let me guess, you don't really know much about the man, you are just going by the nonsense like Manns film and all of the ridiculous documentaries that they have made about him these days.

My advice, go and read the interview with Malcolm X's wife, where she talks about Ali. And you will know why a lot of Malcolm X's former friends hate Ali to this very day

[Toney616]

To me, this was the first fight in which it was proven that Tyson was by no means invincible (there's that subconscious bias again).

he was a 19 year old green contender, of course he wasn't invincible, no boxer is

[Tyson.]

Ali
-Openly racist
-Brought Don King into boxing
-Refused to take part in the civil rights movement
-Betrayed Malcolm X
-Did his best to turn Black Americans against Frazier
-Smacked his first wife around
-Preached at kkk meetings
-Called for the murder of mixed race couples
-Had his hands numbed before fights
-Had orgy's the day before fights and relied on star struck judges to give him undeserved wins
-Clinched as a form of strategy, pulled opponents heads down to tire their necks and backs

You need to show some respect to Ali and B-hop.

They are atgs just like Tyson. Tyson respects Ali as the greatest, if your a fan of his you would do likewise.