Your scorecard: 1986 bout between Mike Tyson and Quick Tillis

[Toney616]

The victim's testimony is sufficient evidence. Yes, **** shield rules prevent the admission of prior sexual conduct of the victim... admission of such evidence would be unfairly prejudicial to the State.

She was prepared to drag her classmate name through the mud and have him go to prison just so she could avoid a telling off from her father. Think of the kind of person she was to do something like that?
Also i was talking about independent corroborating evidence. Like bruised wrists, or skin under her finger nail-signs of a struggle

Don't forget that there was inadmissible information on "Team Tyson's" attempts to talk the victim out of pursuing her complaint

It was a well known fact that Don tried to pay her off. God forbid his money making machine go to prison

(victim's don't decide whether or not a defendant is prosecuted).

Which is what the jury is for, the same jury that had serious doubts about the victim after the case.

And there was testimony from a physician on the victim's condition.

All it basically said was that she had bruising to her ******, which should be expected, when a 100lb women is pounded by a 220lb guy
Also when was the examination taken?

I have access to Lexis Nexus and have gotten to read the transcripts from the trial- her testimony was very consistent;

Why did she go to his room at 3am in the morning?
Why did she take her tampon out when she went into the bathroom?
Why didn't her father believe her story?
Why was she calling around to see how much money she could make first before deciding to go ahead with the case or not?

Tyson's was not.

Why dont you post it up then?

And a defendant's demeanor during trial is perfectly acceptable for a jury to observe and consider.

As far as Tyson was concerned, he hadn't done anything wrong, so why should he show any remorse or regret about anything.

[Toney616]

What do Ali's actions have to do with Tyson's guilt or innocence?

Its to highlight your double standards.

Ali wasn't perfect by a long shot, but at least he conducted himself as a human being, not a wild animal who should be put in a muzzle.

When did Ali act as a human being?
Was it when he was preaching at KKK conventions?
When he told Malcolm's X's wife that he wouldn't stop the nation, from killing her husband?
When he was smacking Sonji around, because she wouldn't join his loony religion?

Ali turning black Americans against Frazier, making him a pariah in his own city, was way worse that Tyson biting Ali ears off. Frazier drove to his house and pleaded with him to stop his insults, his kids were being beat up at school. Black people were refusing to talk to him, its disgraceful. Ali would carry on his crap for another 4+ years

Ali having the death of another human being on his conscious, is much worse than Tyson biting Holyfield's ear off.

At least Tyson apologized for his crap, when is Ali going to apologize to all of the victims of his hate?

[Forza]

neither ali or tyson were perfect. But outside the ring ali was 100x the human being that a coked out rapist animal tyson was. BTW that KKK stint was a rumor, it has never been proven that ali attended KKK meetings. He never hated the white man, his trainer for 20 years was white and he considered him to be almost a father.

We won't even get into boxing, because ali on his worst day is a better boxer than tyson could dream of.

[JAB5239]

Surely you have a better response than this?

Let me guess, you don't really know much about the man, you are just going by the nonsense like Manns film and all of the ridiculous documentaries that they have made about him these days.

My advice, go and read the interview with Malcolm X's wife, where she talks about Ali. And you will know why a lot of Malcolm X's former friends hate Ali to this very day

Im interested in reading this interview. Could you give me a link?

[Toney616]

Im interested in reading this interview. Could you give me a link?

Give me a few days and I will type everything up. Its all in my books at home

[JAB5239]

Give me a few days and I will type everything up. Its all in my books at home

Cool, I appreciate it.

[Toney616]

neither ali or tyson were perfect. But outside the ring ali was 100x the human being that a coked out rapist animal tyson was.

Outside of the ring, Ali was just as bad as Tyson

BTW that KKK stint was a rumor, it has never been proven that ali attended KKK meetings.

Ali admitted to preaching at a KKK meetings, I'll post the vid up when I find it

He never hated the white man, his trainer for 20 years was white and he considered him to be almost a father.

He joined a racist loony cult, that preached the whites are a devil race and were all going to be killed by god very soon. He called for the death of mixed race couples and demanded that America become a segregated nation. He admitted to attending NOI meetings from his time in the amateurs to 1983 when he officially changed to Sunni Islam. In other words if you are a fan of Ali the man during his boxing years, then you should also be a fan of Farrakhan the man as well

But apart from all of that.......he wasn't a racist?

We won't even get into boxing, because ali on his worst day is a better boxer than tyson could dream of.

No doubt

[Tyson.]

Its to highlight your double standards.

When did Ali act as a human being?
Was it when he was preaching at KKK conventions?
When he told Malcolm's X's wife that he wouldn't stop the nation, from killing her husband?
When he was smacking Sonji around, because she wouldn't join his loony religion?

Ali turning black Americans against Frazier, making him a pariah in his own city, was why worse that Tyson biting Ali ears off. Frazier drove to his house and pleaded with him to stop his insults, his kids were being beat up at school. Black people were refusing to talk to him, its disgraceful. Ali would carry on his crap for another 4+ years

Ali having the death of another human being on his conscious, is much worse than Tyson biting Holyfield's ear off.

At least Tyson apologized for his crap, when is Ali going to apologize to all of the victims of his hate?

Ali was misguided when he was with the nation. He is no longer a part of that and is a committed ******, im sure he has alot of regrets about his time with the nation.

Ali has done alot of charity work and has inspired millions of people around the world.

Frazier deserved everything he got. Theres no doubt he would of gone to Vietnam and killed women and children if drafted. He was an uncle tom just like Joe Louis. Tyson would never have fought in such a barbaric war.

Also you forgot to mention that Frazier also beat his wife.

[Toney616]

Ali was misguided when he was with the nation. He is no longer a part of that and is a committed ******, im sure he has alot of regrets about his time with the nation.

When people talk about Ali, they talk about Ali during his boxing years when he was a questionable human being at best

Ali has done alot of charity work and has inspired millions of people around the world.

Saint Ali the myth, has inspired a lot of people no doubt about that. Shame he never existed though

Frazier deserved everything he got. Theres no doubt he would of gone to Vietnam and killed women and children if drafted.

Please don't tell me you actually believe that?

He was an uncle tom just like Joe Louis. Tyson would never have fought in such a barbaric war.

Joe Louis was no uncle tom. And did more for his people that Ali ever did.
Joe Louis never had to join a loony cult to feel good about himself or his race like Ali did.

Also you forgot to mention that Frazier also beat his wife.

True.

[JAB5239]

Frazier deserved everything he got. Theres no doubt he would of gone to Vietnam and killed women and children if drafted. He was an uncle tom just like Joe Louis. Tyson would never have fought in such a barbaric war.

Also you forgot to mention that Frazier also beat his wife.

You have zero proof of any of this and I am considering it trolling. Fair warning. This has been a pretty good debate by both sides, but lets stick to the comprehensive facts.