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Originally posted by Ruby Robert View PostRocky would normally run at least 5-6 miles a day year round, but when a fight was signed he'd increase the distance to 9-10 miles, and usually the last week up it to 12-15 miles. On top of this, he liked to walk another 5-10 miles in the late afternoon or evening. And he did all this in the hilly country around Grossinger's, where he trained.
To train for the bout Jeffries' daily training included a 14-mile (23 km) run, 2 hours of skipping rope, medicine ball training, 20 minutes sparring on the heavy bag, and at least 12 rounds of sparring in the ring. He also trained in wrestling.
"I'll do no more 18 or 20 mile runs" he said in his initial week's work. "I'll start off and run six or eight miles and then I'll walk back at a good nice gait. Next day I'll walk out my distance and run back. Another day I'll run a mile and walk a mile, alternating for 10 or 15 miles. Another day I'll follow the telegraph poles. I'll run at a top speed between two poles, then walk between the next two".
According to his friends, Fitzsimmons is the possessor of no bad habits. Fitzsimmons has wisely remarked that if he couldn't keep himself straight with the prospect of a fortune before him no trainer could. Fitz had a visitor one time who wanted to know all about his mode of training. All Fitzsimmons did was to hand him the following schedule:
6.30am - Rises, bathes, dresses.
7.00 - Sherry and egg
7.05 to 8.15 - Rides on bicycle (15 Miles)
8.15 - Breakfast
9.30 - Goes 15 miles afoot
11.30 - Has rubdown and rests
1.00pm - Dinner
3.00 - Works in gymnasium
5.00 - Showerbath and rubdown
6.00 - Supper
8.00,9.00,10.00,11.00 - Bed
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Originally posted by GoogleMe View PostSource to all of this?
Originally posted by rockymarciano1 View PostMarciano changed his training daily
for 3 years he ran 6-7 miles a day (every day)
10-12 miles when he had a fight scheduled
12-15 in the final few weeks
to lose weight he would chew his steak and spit it out (just swallow the juice)
he hit a 300 pound heavy bag and a speed bag
Charlie Goldman (his trainer) invented punch pads to help rockys accuracy
He would often run with heavy rocks in his hands
He had a ball on string above his bed to help his co ordernation
he did sprints up steep hills
and loads of calisthenics.
Jeffries gave himself five months to train for his championship winning match against Bob Fitzsimmons and did so meticulously. Jeff’s physical and nutritional preparations for that historic battle were a telling reflection of his precise and organised mind.
“I trained two months on the road in the ordinary way,” he explained. “Then I put in three months of the hardest kind of work, running, boxing and above all, dieting for the fight. I weighed 247 pounds stripped when I began the real work of conditioning, and that was my normal weight – not fat.
“For three months, I ate hardly anything. You’d be amazed to know how little a big man really needs to eat and how much stronger a man becomes if he doesn’t eat too much. It’s no joke that people dig their graves with their teeth.
“I would eat two small lamb chops for my dinner, with all the fat trimmed off. That made about two small bites to each chop. I had a little fruit and toast. I had dry toast for months – very little. All through that hard training, I ate as little as I could and drank nothing at all but a little cool water with lemon juice in it.”
http://www.fitzsimmons.co.nz/html/info.html
all you have to do is GoogleThem and one can find multiple places that list the same information.
and hell thats all post bare knuckl erra when boxers trained them selfs, before then training consisted of being tied to the back of a horse drawn cart and running till you colaspe then being driven back to the tavern where you bathed got a rub down and waited for the cart to show back up.Last edited by Spartacus Sully; 09-16-2010, 01:58 AM.
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From an old thread:
Originally posted by BattlingNelson View PostI found these interesting pics on the internet along with instructions. It shows boxers training regimens and how they prepared for battle at the last turn of a century.
Woodchopping. An all-time classic. The boxer in the pic is unknown, but this exercise was especially useful for the back and spine.
Treecarrying. The pic shows HW champ Jack Johnson carrying a piece of oak-tree. This was considered phenomenal training especially when carried up-hill. It was highly recommended to change shoulders every now and then.
This is LW champion Ad Wolgast and not some furniture mover. The lifting of heavy objects, the more complicated the better, was considered excellent. The more musclegroups used the better.
Here Battling Nelson works in the woods as well. He's systematically working out on the lumber on this yard.
Continued.....
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And more here:
Originally posted by BattlingNelson View Post
Mountaineering was popular then as it is now. The fighter is unknown. (Could it be Greb?)
This is one of the very best all-time-greats Benny Leonard farming the countryside.
And finally HW legend Jack Dempsey works on the waterpump. Today this exercixe might be called "unilateral ground based upper body core training".
Maybe this thread would be usefull in the training-forum???
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On mymphone now so cant really look at the links. Interesting that it was same day weigh in. I assume for safety incase a bixer is too dehydrated? What were the gloves like? Looks like thick leather to me and bigger? The training seems similar, just working out muscles, but less educated and more what seems to help will do? Or were these things jobs for them aswell? Less repetitive stleast doing farming etc... Anyone got an example of training for a modern day well known boxer? I liked the break down of the day. I ride a biccle and 20 miles is relativel ok, and i also run, but to do 8 to 15 miles is not a joke on top. It does make you tolerant to pain thiugh, and cardio is great. Cyclng helps mainly the thighs, i guess ti generate power through the legs. Surprised about swimming not being used, its tough and less damaging. If the sport was bgger back then, is it safe to say they were the prime alpha males? Example today it could b nfl or nba or mma.
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Originally posted by PainKiller View PostOn mymphone now so cant really look at the links. Interesting that it was same day weigh in. I assume for safety incase a bixer is too dehydrated? What were the gloves like? Looks like thick leather to me and bigger? The training seems similar, just working out muscles, but less educated and more what seems to help will do? Or were these things jobs for them aswell? Less repetitive stleast doing farming etc... Anyone got an example of training for a modern day well known boxer? I liked the break down of the day. I ride a biccle and 20 miles is relativel ok, and i also run, but to do 8 to 15 miles is not a joke on top. It does make you tolerant to pain thiugh, and cardio is great. Cyclng helps mainly the thighs, i guess ti generate power through the legs. Surprised about swimming not being used, its tough and less damaging.
swimming puts too much emphasis on the arms and shoulders.
go swim for 30 mins as hard as you can bike for 20 miles then try to hit the heavy bag at 100% for more then a round without pain in your shoulder.Last edited by Spartacus Sully; 09-16-2010, 03:05 AM.
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I cant actually swim Lol. I know it is tough because i can only do ten metres. I guess you're right though, however woukd it have any benefit at all ti do it perhaps once a week?
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Originally posted by PainKiller View PostI cant actually swim Lol. I know it is tough because i can only do ten metres. I guess you're right though, however woukd it have any benefit at all ti do it perhaps once a week?
as a cardio exercise biking and running are many times better suited for boxing.
as a strengthening exercise pull ups and rowing are many times better suited for boxing.
the only benifit swimming might give is if you did it at a very relaxed pace on your day off as a therapy exercise that dosnt require effort, an active rest day so your not just sitting around letting your muscles get stiff and your not doing anything that prevents the muscles from healing.
but something like helping move fruniture, mowing the lawn, farming, or carrying logs would work just as well if done at a relaxed pace.
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heres from a real good book i found on line this evening and been reading.
comparing swimming to boxing:
All other athletic exercises, with one exception, are limited or partial in their physical development. That exception is swimming. Swimming takes the whole muscular system into play, uniformly and powerfully. Lungs, heart, trunk, and limbs, all but the eyes, have to do their full share of the work.
Boxing leaves out nothing; it exercises the whole man at once and equally—the trunk, the limbs, the eyes—and the mind.
Swimming is, more than any other physical exercise, a reversal to the primitive. The swimmer has no thoughts — only perceptions. He sees, in a vague way, the trees on the shore, the clouds, the ripple on the wave within thirty
inches of his lips, and he feels the embracing water in a manner that diffuses thought or sensitiveness all over his body, taking it away from the brain. No swimmer thinks — he merely takes care. He is in a condition of animalism. The
intellectuality of the swimmer is relaxed, or partly suspended.
But the boxer, in action, has not a loose muscle or a sleepy brain cell. His mind is quicker and more watchful than a chess-player's. He has to gather his impulses and hurl them, straight and purposeful, with every moment and motion. It is not the big, evenly-disposed opposition of nature he has to overcome, like the swimmer or the runner, but the keen and precise cunning of an excited brain, that is watching him with eyes as bright as a hawk's.
There is no emulation or controversy so hot, so vital, so deliciously interesting, as the boxer's. The ecstacy of the single-stick is rude and brief; the wrestler's tug is comparatively slow and laborious ; even the lunge of the foil is cold, slight, and vague, beside the life-touching kiss of the hot glove on neck, arm, or shoulder.
really good book so far, in the begining it talks about how the greeks and romans would box and even shows passages from poems of the time like the illiad showing that even in 300 bc boxers knew how to throw a right crosss counter, duck, clinch, and slip.
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