Grade these Supermiddleweights

[#1Assassin]

Andre "SOG" Ward

Power:6
Handspeed:9
Footspeed:9
Defense:10
Offense:8
Skillset:10
Intelligence:10
Durability:8

Andre "The Matrix" Dirrell

Power:8
Handspeed:10
Footspeed:10
Defense:8
Offense:8
Skillset:8
Intelligence:7
Durability:7

"King" Arthur Abraham

Power:10
Handspeed:6
Footspeed:5
Defense:10
Offense:8
Skillset:7
Intelligence:8
Durability:10

Carl "The Cobra" Froch

Power:8
Handspeed:6
Footspeed:7
Defense:6
Offense:8
Skillset:6
Intelligence:6
Durability:10

Mikkel "The Viking Warrior" Kessler

Power:9
Handspeed:9
Footspeed:7
Defense:7
Offense:8
Skillset:6
Intelligence:6
Durability:7

Jermain "Bad Intentions" Taylor

Power:7
Handspeed:9
Footspeed:7
Defense:7
Offense:8
Skillset:7
Intelligence:6
Durability:5

Allan "Sweetness" Green

Power:9
Handspeed:7
Footspeed:6
Defense:7
Offense:7
Skillset:7
Intelligence:7
Durability:6



Andre Ward - 70p
Andre Dirrell - 66p
Arthur Abraham - 64p
Mikkel Kessler - 59p
Carl Froch - 57p
Allan Green - 56p
Jermain Taylor - 54p

[Toney616]

Andre "SOG" Ward

Power:6
Handspeed:9
Footspeed:9
Defense:10
Offense:8
Skillset:10
Intelligence:10
Durability:8

Andre "The Matrix" Dirrell

Power:8
Handspeed:10
Footspeed:10
Defense:8
Offense:8
Skillset:8
Intelligence:7
Durability:7

"King" Arthur Abraham

Power:10
Handspeed:6
Footspeed:5
Defense:10
Offense:8
Skillset:7
Intelligence:8
Durability:10

Carl "The Cobra" Froch

Power:8
Handspeed:6
Footspeed:7
Defense:6
Offense:8
Skillset:6
Intelligence:6
Durability:10

Mikkel "The Viking Warrior" Kessler

Power:9
Handspeed:9
Footspeed:7
Defense:7
Offense:8
Skillset:6
Intelligence:6
Durability:7

Jermain "Bad Intentions" Taylor

Power:7
Handspeed:9
Footspeed:7
Defense:7
Offense:8
Skillset:7
Intelligence:6
Durability:5

Allan "Sweetness" Green

Power:9
Handspeed:7
Footspeed:6
Defense:7
Offense:7
Skillset:7
Intelligence:7
Durability:6



Andre Ward - 70p
Andre Dirrell - 66p
Arthur Abraham - 64p
Mikkel Kessler - 59p
Carl Froch - 57p
Allan Green - 56p
Jermain Taylor - 54p

I was thinking about doing something like this as well, but it seems you beat me to it, lol
I still hope my boy Froch wins the SMW tournament though.

[THE REED]

With now ended up with a solid h2h list
I think that G-man beats Jones
Jones-Nunn 50/50
Nunn should of beat Toney and he would have if he listened to his trainer(Dundee)
Thanks again to everyone who contributed, I will use this idea again in the near future

Unfortunately there is more to a h2h matchup than just attributes like "speed, power, toughness"..

Styles is a big consideration, ability to counterpunch, ability to inside fight, fight off the ropes, in ring IQ, ability to set traps, combination punching ability, feinting, amateur experience, pro experience, championship experience, ability to adapt.

You can't just say... well I think this guy is faster, and stronger... he got 2 more points than the other guy in the attributes category so he should win.

Plenty of fighters who are less skillful beat fighter who are more skillful just based on style, and the intangibles that I listed...

[Toney616]

Unfortunately there is more to a h2h matchup than just attributes like "speed, power, toughness"

I know that(see my hw h2h thread),but it would of been to hard to try to list and grade everything. This thread was really the foundation for something else I'm working on

Styles is a big consideration, ability to counterpunch, ability to inside fight, fight off the ropes, in ring IQ, ability to set traps, combination punching ability, feinting, amateur experience, pro experience, championship experience, ability to adapt.

I agree, which is why I said that Jones-Nunn is 50/50 and I think the the G-man would beat Jones, even though he is ranked much lower on the list than Jones

You can't just say... well I think this guy is faster, and stronger... he got 2 more points than the other guy in the attributes category so he should win.

Jones-Toney:
The flaw in toneys game was exposed in the McCallum-Toney I fight, he tended to only throw the counter right, if his opponent finished his combination with a right hand. It was a flaw also pointed out during the Toney-Littles fight
Handspeed: Toney also struggled with fast hands, as shown in the Littles fight were he was getting caught with right hands, something which he rarely ever got caught with.
Footspeed: Toney had trouble with opponents like Nunn and Johnson because of their speed and lateral movement.

And interestingly enough, just by grading a few attributes we arrived at a similiar conclusion. Off course I'm not going to take the above list literally

Plenty of fighters who are less skillful beat fighter who are more skillful just based on style, and the intangibles that I listed...

Yes, I know that, Collins-Eubank I,II and Griffin-Jones I comes to mind

[Bright-Eyes]

Michael Nunn:

Power: 6
Handspeed:9
Footspeed:9
Defense:10
Offense:7
Skillset:8


Roy Jones:

Power: 8
Handspeed:10
Footspeed:10
Defense:9
Offense:9
Skillset:10


James Toney:

Power: 7
Handspeed:8
Footspeed:5
Defense:9
Offense:10
Skillset:9


Nigel Benn:

Power: 8
Handspeed:7
Footspeed:6
Defense:5
Offense:8
Skillset:6


Chris Eubank:

Power: 7
Handspeed:7
Footspeed:7
Defense:6
Offense:6
Skillset:7

[-CANE-]

With now ended up with a kind of h2h list
I think that G-man beats Jones
Jones-Nunn 50/50
Nunn should of beat Toney and he would have if he listened to his trainer(Dundee)
Thanks again to everyone who contributed, I will use this idea again in the near future

Some nice ideas, pretty similar to what I did when compiling my all time heavyweight list. See page 18/19 on my heavyweight thread thats stickied.

Anyone who appreciaties Michael Nunn is alright by me. My all time favourite fighter. I was lucky enough to meet him the only night I ever saw him fight live. The night he lost to Steve Little and Benn beat Wharton, they were all set for a unification bout had they both won.

[Toney616]

Some nice ideas, pretty similar to what I did when compiling my all time heavyweight list. See page 18/19 on my heavyweight thread thats stickied.

Ill check it out

Anyone who appreciaties Michael Nunn is alright by me. My all time favourite fighter. I was lucky enough to meet him the only night I ever saw him fight live. The night he lost to Steve Little and Benn beat Wharton, they were all set for a unification bout had they both won.

That would of been a great fight, shame it didnt happen

[coghaugen]

Nunn:
Power:5
Handspeed:9
Footspeed:9
Defense:8
Offense:7
Skillset:7

Jones:
Power:8
Handspeed:10
Footspeed:9
Defense:7
Offense:9
Skillset:5

Toney:
Power:6
Handspeed:7
Footspeed:6
Defense:10
Offense:7
Skillset:10

Benn:
Power:9
Handspeed:7
Footspeed:7
Defense:8
Offense:8
Skillset:6

Eubank:
Power:7
Handspeed:8
Footspeed:10
Defense:8
Offense:7
Skillset:7