Sam Peter vs The Fringe contenders of the 1990s

[BennyST]

To be honest though, I don't see a single fighter apart from Wlad and Vit beating Dokes or Ruddock. Not a single one. In fact, I don't even give them much of a chance. I think the majority get ****ing slaughtered or just lose a big decision.

I think there are a few possibilities with some fighters like Morrison getting hit by a chance bomb, but notice how he only got hit by chance bombs against good power punchers?

I think he knocks out everyone in todays era apart from Vit and Klit.

[BennyST]

I'm being dead serious here....If you look at that round two and three, it looks like the last rounds of a brutal fifteen round fight in any other era or at least the championship rounds of the last great Hw era.

Come on man, how can you look at any Peter fight and think he'd last with those guys? He's honestly an awful fighter that just wouldn't have a chance. Why did McCline land those punches? It's because he knew how to throw them and when to, and yet he's really not very good. The other era not only knew how and when to but more importantly they could do it across an entire fight and had more power than McCline.

You know what? If Ruddock, Smith or someone like that was fighting today we'd be saying they are one of the great punchers alongside Shavers and Foreman etc. because everyone looks and is so ****ing pathetic in comparison.

For Gods sake, just look at the videos! You look at round two and three of Peter/McCline and it honestly....Man, I don't know...It's so pathetic that I can't say it looks like any other championship fight in the later rounds because they never looked that bad even in the fifteenth of a brutal fight.

****! Check this out. One of the most brutal HW fights of all time in the championship rounds when they are beyond exhaustion. Beyond exhaustion. Not fresh in the second or third round. **** me! They are more skilled and active in the fifteenth round of one of the most brutal, hideous, exhausting fights of not only HW action but of all time in any fight! Seriously, I just laugh at when I see that and anyone tries to compare it to todays action. They are more unskilled and less active in any round no matter how fresh and good than these guys in that round! Come on! Get a grip people! Not only that but they are slipping, blocking, countering, parrying and punching like no one does today in any round let alone the ****ing fifteenth!


Thinking of these fantasy fights? Put Chambers in the opposite corner of that fifteenth round of Holmes/Norton against either guy from what you remember and have seen of their fights...put The Nipple, Adamek, Peter, Haye, Maskaev, Valuez..... anyone! Think about it and now go back and watch it...Seriously. Go back and watch it again with them in your mind against either one.

Does it make sense now?

[sonnyboyx2]

Benny, here's another Ken Norton fight:



You are being too hard on Sam Peter for losing to the boxers you despise, namely the K Bros. Benny, is it impossible for you to overcome your prejudice against the Klitschkos?

Norton was nearly 40yrs old and had been out of the ring for years he was a grandaddy by that time and fighting an up and coming fighter in Gerry Cooney.. Cooney would leave Sam Peter lying in the 3rd row

[StarshipTrooper]

Vitali Klitschko is nearly 40 years old and has been fighting up-and-coming HWs like Arreola and Johnson.

Difference is, he's not been KOed in round one by them.

Of course, you'll say they are no good, since you NEED to discredit the Klitschkos no matter what.

Hey Tunney! I'm in Tacoma now and my gal and me are planning to pop up to Vancouver after we get our enhanced driver licences. We can talk boxing over beers if you'd like

Poet

[sonnyboyx2]

Vitali Klitschko is nearly 40 years old and has been fighting up-and-coming HWs like Arreola and Johnson.

Difference is, he's not been KOed in round one by them.

Of course, you'll say they are no good, since you NEED to discredit the Klitschkos no matter what.

Arreola & Johnson are journeymen fighters who Cooney would butcher within a couple of rounds, Norton had been in with the very very best Ali (thrice), Foreman, Shavers, Quarry, Holmes and was fighting the final fight of a long career... are you claiming Vitali has fought the competition that Norton has fought?... Vitali took 4yrs out so as to avoid any fighter who was half-decent and is now fighting tomato cans

[BennyST]

Benny, here's another Ken Norton fight:



You are being too hard on Sam Peter for losing to the boxers you despise, namely the K Bros. Benny, is it impossible for you to overcome your prejudice against the Klitschkos?

Why do you constantly say that? If it's not you calling me a racist, it's me being prejudiced against them.

What part of they're great do you not understand. What you still fail to comprehend is that I believe .... Just belief. It's merely a belief of mine based on years of experience and watching boxing that they are not in a good era of HW's. That is all.

I think they would probably continue to win in most era....In fact, any era I think they would be top fighters, but their opposition today in terrible. That does not make them terrible nor does it make me racist or prejudiced.

If you cannot see that Tunney it is simply showing your perspective as a fan of a man rather than a boxer or boxing.

I don't care either way. You jst understand that I think there are some greats around and will be any more in the future and I think the Klit's are a part of those greats....But their opponents are not.

Explain what makes me racist and prejudiced in seeing that they are not as good as past opponents in past past eras.

[BillyBoxing]

Sometimes I have to wonder if you've even seen the fighters that you criticize with such convinction.

Ruddock's unorthodox uppercut would work extremely well on Peter, who seems to be most suspectible to the punch, see the McCline and the recent Klitschko fight. This is a punch he managed to tag Tyson with, and even a diminished Tyson has far better defense than Peter. Ruddock was washed up at the time he faced Morrison, let's see how Peter does from this point onwards before bringing up Ruddock's career post-Tyson.



Witherspoon did not only have the power to keep Peter off, he had the power to knock him clean out. His overhand right, "the Can Opener", was a powerful punch, as his 38 KO victims can testify to.



Regardless, he doesn't need the power to completely outbox the slow and sloppy Peter as Eddie Chambers showed.

OK Peter looked like complete **** against the Klits,but c'mon,those 90s contender aren't that good.

Look at Peter's fight against Toney,he has decent skills,ok it's ****in Toney,but C'mon,Ruddock was trash,so was Morrison,and so was Golota.
Golota get beat by Grant.


Chambers outboxed Peter but Chambers is way faster than the guys you named.

Witherspoon would beat Peter but "ko him clean out"?
I don't think so.
Don't think he's more powefull than Wlad.

[sonnyboyx2]

OK Peter looked like complete **** against the Klits,but c'mon,those 90s contender aren't that good.

Look at Peter's fight against Toney,he has decent skills,ok it's ****in Toney,but C'mon,Ruddock was trash,so was Morrison,and so was Golota.
Golota get beat by Grant.


Chambers outboxed Peter but Chambers is way faster than the guys you named.

Witherspoon would beat Peter but "ko him clean out"?
I don't think so.
Don't think he's more powefull than Wlad.

Speed is power and Wlad is as slow as a hearse.. Witherspoon was a dangerous puncher with his over-hand right.. Sam Peter is dog****e and would be knocked-out by all those fighters, Peter was KOd by Wlad last weekend but it was more a case of exhaustion than anything else infact i would give most of those fighters an excellent chance of beating both Klitschko brothers

[TheGreatA]

OK Peter looked like complete **** against the Klits,but c'mon,those 90s contender aren't that good.

Never said they were that good. I just said they're good enough to beat Peter, which doesn't take a great fighter in my opinion.

Look at Peter's fight against Toney,he has decent skills,ok it's ****in Toney,but C'mon,Ruddock was trash,so was Morrison,and so was Golota.
Golota get beat by Grant.

Calling them trash is an over-statement. I'm not a big fan of any of them, actually I never said anything about Golota or Morrison in the first place.

Witherspoon did have legitimate skills:



Ruddock looked to have some talent early on until turning into a one-dimensional puncher, still faster and a harder hitter than Peter though, and tough enough to take it from Tyson for 12 rounds.

Chambers outboxed Peter but Chambers is way faster than the guys you named.

He's pretty much a Michael Dokes, who was knocked out cold by Ruddock. Dokes was past his best, but still had speed and skill. Peter was embarrassed in that fight.

Witherspoon would beat Peter but "ko him clean out"?
I don't think so.
Don't think he's more powefull than Wlad.

I said he had the power to KO him clean out, I didn't say he would. Witherspoon's overhand right was a legitimate KO punch and thrown with more conviction than most of Wladimir's right hands against Peter.

[r.burgundy]

Whoah....That's the one thing I strongly disagree with. I think this is the only era in which he would win a title. Would Oleg Maskaev win a title in any era? If not then I don't think Peter would because I don;t think there is anyone else Pewter would win the title off.

He got beat, flat out, by Toney in their first fight. No genuine Hw titlist could have been beaten by Toney at that stage of his career.

People also seem to have forgotten how easily he was beaten by that hack Chambers.

Come on...really? Peter? A HW champion in any era? One, at the most two...but no more. No chance. There are guys who have hit a lot harder than Wlad and had just as good sustained brutality...he doesn't get by them and he also gets hit by a lot of shots he doesn't see against better guys that haven't happened in this era.

i actually think peter would've did great in the 70's.i could very easily see him steam rolling a guy like norton.i could also see him beating quarry who was a belt holder.i could also see him beating guys like greg page,pinklon thomas and trevor berbick.like i said i dont think he's good enough to have a long run but i think he could beat alotta titlist of the past.