Hopkins vs Calzaghe:Are their resumes similiar

[Joeyzagz]

Calzaghe beat Hopkins head 2 head.


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[Toney616]

It's really not funny. Hopkins resume is much deeper. He's got 18 names on it that were credible opponents. Some he beat more than once. It adds up to about twice the amount of notable wins that Calzaghe has.

Hopkins resume has a lot more big names on it, no doubt, but the majority of them were not fighting anywhere near their prime weight class.
Oscar prime at ww, fought Hopkins at mw
Tito prime at ww, fought Hopkins at mw
Pavlik prime at mw, fought Hopkins at lhw
Winky prime at jmw, fought Hopkins at lhw

Im of the opinion, that when a fighter moves up, he has to prove himself in the new division. Oscar wasnt very good at mw for example, he shouldnt of even had that wbo belt either

[Tyson.]

Hopkins resume has a lot more big names on it, no doubt, but the majority of them were not fighting anywhere near their prime weight class.
Oscar prime at ww, fought Hopkins at mw
Tito prime at ww, fought Hopkins at mw
Pavlik prime at mw, fought Hopkins at lhw
Winky prime at jmw, fought Hopkins at lhw

Im of the opinion, that when a fighter moves up, he has to prove himself in the new division. Oscar wasnt very good at mw for example, he shouldnt of even had that wbo belt either

Oscar was good at 154, Hopkins fought him at 156.
Tito although not prime at mw, he had just KOed Joppy.
Pavlik has trouble makeing Mw and he blows up above 170 fight night.
Winky was a bull**** fight I agree with you there.

Also size wasnt a factor in the Pavlik, DLH and Tito fights. Hopkins beat them with skill. Then you have the defences at mw against credible contenders. Plus the fact he went up and beat the man at LHW.

Calzaghe on the other hand has 20 defences at SMW against mainly unworthy opponents. Kessler is the only good fighter he beat and he arguably lost to Reid. Then he fought Hopkins at 173 so not really LHW and got a gift decison.

Hokins is a bonafide ATG, whereas Calzaghe is a HOFer.

[Joeyzagz]

Small Oscar < Undefeated Jeff Lacy

blown up Pavlik < Prime Sakio Bika

Shot Winky < Berenard Hopkins

SHot Roy Jones < 2008 Roy Jones

Tarver < ATG Chris Eubank

Small Trinidad < Prime Mikkel Kessler

[NinjaMan!]

Small Oscar < Undefeated Jeff Lacy
Oscar was 10x the fighter Lacy ever thought about being at any weight
blown up Pavlik < Prime Sakio Bika
Did you really just bring up Bika like it's some kind of accomplishment?
Shot Winky < Berenard Hopkins
Hopkins was 43 and Cal barley won. Winky was better then anyone on Calzaghe's resume with the exception of Hopkins
SHot Roy Jones < 2008 Roy Jones
No difference they were both shot and at least Hopkins had the balls to get in there with Jones in his prime. Not to mention other guys.
Tarver < ATG Chris Eubank
Tarver was a big win considering he had to jump two weight classes and was 41 years old. Let's see Calzaghe do that 4 years from now. Do you think he could?
Small Trinidad < Prime Mikkel Kessler

Trinidad was 10x the fighter Kessler ever thought about being at any weight.
Calzaghe's problem was and always will be he fought to many stiffs. He didn't even try to unify his title for 10 years. Unheard of and pathetic. Not to mention all he had was a WBO crap strap that no one cared about. Probably the worst list of mandatory opponents in history.

[VibesMan]

Small Oscar < Undefeated Jeff Lacy

blown up Pavlik < Prime Sakio Bika

Shot Winky < Berenard Hopkins

SHot Roy Jones < 2008 Roy Jones

Tarver < ATG Chris Eubank

Small Trinidad < Prime Mikkel Kessler

Because Hopkins was a natural lightheavy?

PRIME Sakio Bika. Crikey.

2008 Jones was shot to **** as well you realise?

ATG Eubank. Crikey.

[Tyson.]

Small Oscar < Undefeated Jeff Lacy

blown up Pavlik < Prime Sakio Bika

Shot Winky < Berenard Hopkins

SHot Roy Jones < 2008 Roy Jones

Tarver < ATG Chris Eubank

Small Trinidad < Prime Mikkel Kessler

Oscar was an elite fighter at 154, Hopkins fought him at 156. Size cant be used to discredit that win. Lacy was a hypejob who had never beaten anyone of any note bar Reid and hasnt gone onto do anything else.

Pavlik blows up to 170+ on fight night when fighting as a MW. Again even if you want to call Pavlik blown up, he would most likely beat Bika. Prime Bika never beat anyone of any note.

The British press and Enzo Calzaghe had Hopkins winning against Calzaghe.

Trinidad may be best at WW but he was still a good MW when Hopkins beat him. Not that Kessler isnt a good win for Calzaghe but Trinidad is a class above him.

I actually agree that Eubank is a better fighter than Tarver. However Eubank is not an ATG. Both had weight issues for their fights with Hopkins and Calzaghe. Tarver went onto become a champ at LHW again whereas Eubank was clearly weight drained at 168. So Hopkins win over Tarver is better than Calz over Eubank.

RJJ and Winky are not in Hopkins best 5 wins.

[Joeyzagz]

Oscar was an elite fighter at 154, Hopkins fought him at 156. Size cant be used to discredit that win. Lacy was a hypejob who had never beaten anyone of any note bar Reid and hasnt gone onto do anything else.

Pavlik blows up to 170+ on fight night when fighting as a MW. Again even if you want to call Pavlik blown up, he would most likely beat Bika. Prime Bika never beat anyone of any note.

The British press and Enzo Calzaghe had Hopkins winning against Calzaghe.

Trinidad may be best at WW but he was still a good MW when Hopkins beat him. Not that Kessler isnt a good win for Calzaghe but Trinidad is a class above him.

I actually agree that Eubank is a better fighter than Tarver. However Eubank is not an ATG. Both had weight issues for their fights with Hopkins and Calzaghe. Tarver went onto become a champ at LHW again whereas Eubank was clearly weight drained at 168. So Hopkins win over Tarver is better than Calz over Eubank.

RJJ and Winky are not in Hopkins best 5 wins.

Lets be honest here, Hopkins was a 6'2 LHW who made his name fighting WELTERWEIGHTS. There is no comparison whatsoever, and Calzaghe's resume is superior based on him fighting guys his own size.

[Tyson.]

Lets be honest here, Hopkins was a 6'2 LHW who made his name fighting WELTERWEIGHTS. There is no comparison whatsoever, and Calzaghe's resume is superior based on him fighting guys his own size.

Tito was still a good fighter at MW and DLH was still a good fighter at 156. Is Mayweather only good at 130?

Height is not as important as reach and Bernard had only a slight edge there not a Hearns or Pwill type adavantage at MW. Theyve both racked up similar amount of defences at MW and SMW so how are they not comparable?

[Toney616]

Oscar was good at 154, Hopkins fought him at 156.

True, but come fight night Hopkins would of rehydrated back up to 170lbs. The problem is that the guys he beat at jmw wouldnt be lhw come fight night like Hopkins. Oscar's record at mw is 1-1 and a good case could be made that it really should be 0-2

Tito although not prime at mw, he had just KOed Joppy.

True, but Joppy was nothing special
Joppys best wins:
Duran(journeyman)
Eastman(journeyman)
Hozumi(journeyman)

His record at mw is 3-2, with both of those losses coming by almost complete shutouts. So we can safely say that he wasnt a very good at mw.

Pavlik has trouble making Mw and he blows up above 170 fight night.

True, but the rumour is that Hopkins blew up to 185+ come fight night against Pavlik

Winky was a bull**** fight I agree with you there.

lol

Also size wasnt a factor in the Pavlik, DLH and Tito fights. Hopkins beat them with skill. Then you have the defences at mw against credible contenders. Plus the fact he went up and beat the man at LHW.

Style wise guys like Tito and Pavlik are tailor made for him, limited come forward punchers, with not very good defense or handspeed.
Calzaghe also moved up and beat the main at lhw. Hopkins clearly proved that by beating Tarver by a shutout.

Calzaghe on the other hand has 20 defences at SMW against mainly unworthy opponents. Kessler is the only good fighter he beat and he arguably lost to Reid. Then he fought Hopkins at 173 so not really LHW and got a gift decison.

The Hopkins Calzaghe fight was for Hopkins belt at lhw. Hopkins also fought some garbage fighters like Bo James(Fireman), Morrade(lol)Hakker
Calzaghe did fight guys like Reid,Brewer and Mitchell who are equivalent to guys like Joppy, Allen and Echols

Hokins is a bonafide ATG, whereas Calzaghe is a HOFer.

I can agree with this, but I dont think Calzaghe is too many steps below him