Sam Langford>>>Muhammad Ali?

[Obama]

I were talking about your quote that Ali were the greatest HW ever, because he were a small guy fighting bigger guys.
This is not to bash you my friend, you're respected around this board - so don't get me wrong.

Ah, ok. That's not really what I meant. I'm saying while Ali was capable of making multiple weights like Langford (at least 2 in Ali's case), his talents were clearly better suited at the higher weight. As far as skill goes, the human body is capable of less and less as it gets bigger. Guys like Wladimir Klitschko can never look like Roy Jones Jr. in the ring. It's physically impossible. Ali took advantage of this with Heavyweights. He couldn't have gotten away with nearly as much with more skilled Light Heavyweights.

Hence it's no coincidence Ali did his best with the biggest Heavyweights and struggled the most with the smallest.

[GoogleMe]

Ah, ok. That's not really what I meant. I'm saying while Ali was capable of making multiple weights like Langford (at least 2 in Ali's case), his talents were clearly better suited at the higher weight. As far as skill goes, the human body is capable of less and less as it gets bigger. Guys like Wladimir Klitschko can never look like Roy Jones Jr. in the ring. It's physically impossible. Ali took advantage of this with Heavyweights. He couldn't have gotten away with nearly as much with more skilled Light Heavyweights.

Hence it's no coincidence Ali did his best with the biggest Heavyweights and struggled the most with the smallest.

We agree here, very much indeed. Ali wouldn't do much as LHW, and he were lucky that the guys around his time weren't as mobile as the HW's of later era's.

Sam Langford is higher rated p4p and atg for me aswell. Ali is very media hyped.

[Toney616]

This was a good one , a leading candidate for joke of the week award.
In my post you quoted I did not try to list all of Foreman's wins , just his wins against fighters who shortened Ali's career and beat him.

While conveniately forgetting that he beat them as well

Also Ali does not have 2 wins against Norton , only on paper he has.

Lets see your scorecard then

Not to mention Ali's "wins" against Frazier , Chuvalo and Norton are nothing like Foremans' successful hunting journeys against them.

Styles make fights. Ali was a boxer and Foreman was a slugger, of course thier fights against common opponents are not going to play out the same way. They both won those fights and thats all the matters at the end of the day

Patterson ? why didn't you list Ali's huge win over Archie Moore .

His win over Patterson is still a good win(first fight)

And I watched his fight against Doug Jones recently , Ali did not beat him.

Why dont you post up your scorecard then?

Watched the fight 3 times , Ali used the ropes in a critical way , this and holding and hitting behind the head.

Flogging a dead horse, springs to mind

[frankenfrank]

I'd say that Ali was a heavyweight. So don't try to teach me anythng please. You called Tua a top 10 atg heavyweight once.

Find me 10 HWs who would have won against a prime Tua

[frankenfrank]

I'd say that Ali was a heavyweight. So don't try to teach me anythng please. You called Tua a top 10 atg heavyweight once.

And where did I say Ali was not a HW ?

[VibesMan]

Find me 10 HWs who would have won against a prime Tua

You for real or takin the piss?

[frankenfrank]

Ah, ok. That's not really what I meant. I'm saying while Ali was capable of making multiple weights like Langford (at least 2 in Ali's case), his talents were clearly better suited at the higher weight. As far as skill goes, the human body is capable of less and less as it gets bigger. Guys like Wladimir Klitschko can never look like Roy Jones Jr. in the ring. It's physically impossible. Ali took advantage of this with Heavyweights. He couldn't have gotten away with nearly as much with more skilled Light Heavyweights.

Hence it's no coincidence Ali did his best with the biggest Heavyweights and struggled the most with the smallest.

Ali was capable of making 2 weights ? you mean CW and HW , right ?
Ali also struggled against Ken Norton who was no LHW and would have struggled much worse than he did against Foreman under legitimate circumstances .
Did he struggle against Patterson or Ellis or your HOF LHW Bob Foster ? talking about LHWs .
Ali never fought anyone with a combination of size and skill nowhere near the Klitschkos . If he had , he would have his s served .

[frankenfrank]

You for real or takin the piss?

fo real . Now find me those 10.

[VibesMan]

fo real . Now find me those 10.

Any era? **** me, this isn't going to be overly tricky.

Big George
Ali
Holmes
VKlit
Lewis
Bowe
Holyfield
Mike

There's 8 modern era for sure.

I'd even pick Norton, Quarry, Patterson to beat that fat, predictable ****.

[frankenfrank]

While conveniately forgetting that he beat them as well

Lets see your scorecard then

Still was not bored , desperate nor did I have that much of a spare time to watch these and I am not suicidal , I trust decent posters in this one.

Styles make fights. Ali was a boxer and Foreman was a slugger, of course thier fights against common opponents are not going to play out the same way. They both won those fights and thats all the matters at the end of the day

(1) Ali also managed to lose to them , Foreman was far from it.
(2) the W is all that matters ? OK then.

His win over Patterson is still a good win(first fight)

For those who consider both LHWs it is.

Why dont you post up your scorecard then?

In this single case I tried to score the fight and had it a draw.
Keep in mind that only the ropes kept Ali upright in the first (?) round .

Flogging a dead horse, springs to mind