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hmm.. well we can do 6 degrees of separation.
Klitschko lost to Lennox Lewis who lost to Hasim Rahman who lost to Mccall who lost to Buster Douglas who lost to Holyfield who lost to Michael Moorer who lost to George Foreman who lost to Jimmy Young who lost to Roy Williams who lost to Jerry Quarry who drawed with Floyd Patterson who lost to Sonny Liston.
makes as much sense as other arguments in this thread.. hahaha.. well that's 5 minutes of my life wasted.
Anyway, i think that the pressure that Liston provided and the foot movement of Klitschko would eventually get him caught with big shots from Liston. the dude was like a bull, and Klitschko is too big of a target. he'd probably get TKO'd with cuts. but it would be one hell of a fight though, big punches in each direction. 2 hard chins and 2 powerhouses, but Liston has just some more.
*EDIT* wouldn't it be cool with threads like these that stir up a lot of debate to get someone to do a Fight Night simulation? just for fun?Comment
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Well then we have conflicting sources.
Provide video evidence and I will provide mine.
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Harry Carpenter - "Wepner is 6'5" ^^^^^^^^^^^ 1.28 minutes.
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Sonny Liston vs Vitali Klitschko
Fight info: Caesar's Palace, Las Vegas, NV, United States, 2010-07-02, announcer is Chuck Hull, referee is Mills Lane, the
bout will be scored by three judges: Robert Tapper (Canada), Rodolfo Hill (Panama) and Steve Weisfeld (United States),
ring card girl is Laurie Storm, this is not a title bout, the bout is scheduled for 15 rounds, My Ruleset-rules are in effect, three KD rule is not in effect, save by the bell only in last round, referee or doctor can stop the fight, mandatory 8 count is in effect, fight stopped due to an accidental head butt: Tech. Draw through 50%%/Scorecard after 50%%, game will check for injuries, game will adjust ratings for weight class, use judges bias is set to 'use bias rating', Scoring System is 10 Points
In the red corner: Sonny Liston - Record: 0-0-0 - Career Stage: Prime - Conditioning: Top Condition - Trainer: Eddie
Inabagsky - Cut Man: Sam Gasher
In the blue corner: Vitali Klitschko - Record: 0-0-0 - Career Stage: Prime - Conditioning: Top Condition - Trainer: Eddie
Inabagsky - Cut Man: Sam Gasher
Round 1
Time Commentary Points
0:00 The crowd's been waiting for the start of this fight but they don't have to wait any longer as Round 1 begins. 0:0
0:12 Liston bobs and weaves his way inside and lets his hands go, scoring with a hook. 2:0
0:29 Liston works his way in and leans on Vitali Klitschko... 2:0
0:34 Lane separates the two... 2:0
0:39 Klitschko is trapped in the corner... 2:0
0:44 Liston tries to go to the body but he can't find an opening. 2:0
0:51 Klitschko lands a devastating hook! 2:5
0:51 How is Liston standing after that? 2:5
01:10 Liston connects with a violent hook! 6:5
01:10 Klitschko looks stunned! 6:5
01:18 There's a lot of excitement surrounding this fight. The fans are really in to it. 6:5
01:26 Klitschko drives home a wicked hook to the midsection! 6:9
01:26 Liston was stunned by that last flurry of punches! 6:9
01:43 Liston can't score with short uppercut inside. Klitschko got his gloves in front of the punch. 6:9
01:50 Klitschko lands a crushing jab! 6:13
01:50 That punch may have stunned Liston momentarily. 6:13
02:08 Liston scores with a tremendous left! 10:13
02:08 Mercy! that was a crushing blow! Klitschko is trying to hang on... 10:13
02:17 As high as Liston is holding his gloves he is leaving his body wide open to a damaging body punch if Klitschko takes advantage of it. 10:13
02:27 Both fighters move back to ring center. 10:13
02:27 Liston is trying to keep his hands moving on the inside. Oh! He rocks Klitschko with a hard uppercut that lands flush on the point of the chin. 13:13
02:41 Klitschko wraps up Liston... Neither fighter will break... 13:13
02:46 Liston pushes Klitschko away. 13:13
02:55 Liston holds his gloves high, bobbing and weaving, making it difficult for
Klitschko to score with a clean shot. 13:13
03:00 Liston doesn't connect with the uppercut. 13:13
03:00 Wow, they really went at in that stanza, that was puglistic nirvana, and the fans are clamoring for more. 13:13
Round 2
Time Commentary Points
0:00 Round 2 is about to begin... There's the bell! 0:0
0:25 Liston lands a solid uppercut! 4:0
0:25 Sonny Liston has Klitschko in trouble, he is hurt and trying to hang on!! 4:0
0:42 There's a hard shot off the top of Liston's head! 4:4
0:42 Liston takes a step back, obviously hurt! 4:4
0:59 Klitschko throws a flurry of punches but Liston either blocks or slips them. 4:4
01:05 Liston lands a strong cross! 9:4
01:05 Liston has Klitschko hurt badly, he is just trying to hang on right now!! 9:4
01:16 * Lane is telling Klitschko to quit holding and hitting. 9:7
01:39 Lane yells at the fighters to separate but Liston and Klitschko are a tangle of arms. 9:7
01:43 Lane moves in to break the clinch. 9:7
01:52 Liston tries a straight right that's blocked by the gloves of Klitschko. 9:7
01:59 That hook from Klitschko snapped Liston's head back violently! 9:11
01:59 Liston is trying to reach for the ropes! His legs have turned to jelly! 9:11
02:13 Klitschko just absorbed a terrifying shot to the body. 14:11
02:13 Klitschko appears shaken by those punches! 14:11
02:21 Klitschko backs into the near corner. 14:11
02:26 Liston fires a left hand that Klitschko takes high on the shoulder. 14:11
02:37 Liston really buried that punch into Klitschko's ribs. 18:11
02:37 Klitschko is hurt! 18:11
02:42 A small mouse has formed under Klitschko's right eye. 18:11
02:50 Liston dips as if to launch a body shot, then goes upstairs with a quick hook to the head that puts Klitschko back on his heels! 22:11
02:50 Klitschko was rattled by that shot and he is hurt! 22:11
03:00 Loud applause accompanies the end of this round. 22:11
Round 3
Time Commentary Points
0:00 Round 3 begins as the bell sounds. 0:0
0:16 Liston is moving like he is walking on air tonight. 0:0
0:21 Klitschko retreats into a neutral corner. 0:0
0:26 Liston pins Vitali Klitschko's arms against his body stopping him from throwing any punches. 0:0
0:38 Lane is shouting at Sonny Liston to break! 0:0
0:47 Vitali Klitschko misses with the jab. He lets go with a left and that fails to find its mark, too. 0:0
0:54 Liston lands a devastating cross! 4:0
0:54 Klitschko was stunned by that blow! 4:0
01:12 And Klitschko tastes the power of a huge cross from Liston! 8:0
01:12 Klitschko's hurt, that blow stopped him cold! 8:0
01:16 Klitschko's vision could be hampered by the ever-increasing swelling under his right eye. 8:0
01:25 Klitschko lets his hands go but his punches land on the arms of Liston. 8:0
01:27 Liston snakes the jab through Klitschko's gloves. He had some snap on that one. 10:0
01:44 Liston seems really focused on what he's doing this round. 10:0
01:52 Liston just landed a three punch combo! 14:0
01:52 Klitschko was stopped cold by that series of shots! 14:0
01:56 The swelling under Klitschko's right eye is increasing. It's going to get tougher and tougher for to see punches coming. 14:0
02:05 Liston throws punches in bunches and that's the way to disrupt your
opponent's rhythm. 16:0
02:13 Klitschko doesn't have to look for Liston this round. He is right there in front of him. 16:0
02:32 Klitschko is clinching. Early in a fight you have to wonder but late in a fight clinching can give a fighter a breather. 16:0
02:43 Referee Lane steps in to break it up. 16:0
02:56 Liston misses wildly with the Hook. 16:0
03:00 Klitschko lands a vicious uppercut! 16:4
03:00 Liston is suddenly in trouble! 16:4
03:00 Round 3 of this scheduled 15 rounder ends as the bell sounds. 16:4
Round 4
Time Commentary Points
0:00 The seconds hurry out of Liston's corner as the bell sounds for Round 4. 0:0
0:08 Vitali Klitschko's corner is an experienced crew but the swelling he's suffered looks almost as bad as it did before the minute break. 0:0
0:13 Klitschko slips out of a corner, as Liston attempts to trap him. 0:0
0:17 Klitschko's corner is urging him on. They're really vocal tonight. 0:0
0:27 Liston is trapped in his own corner... 0:0
0:32 Klitschko shoots a vicious cross right down the pipe and catches Liston flush! 0:5
0:32 Liston was staggered by that punch! 0:5
0:46 Liston is either lucky or has radar. Klitschko's last punch missed landing by a fraction of an inch! 0:5
0:52 Klitschko takes a hard combination from Liston 4:5
0:52 Klitschko seems to have been hurt by that punch! 4:5
0:57 The swelling under Klitschko's right eye is causing him problems and it won't take much more to become a major handicap for him. 4:5
01:06 Liston works free! The fighters move to ring center. 4:5
01:11 Both fighters are exchanging blows! Sonny Liston scored more on that
exchange. 7:7
01:23 Liston slides into his own corner... 7:7
01:28 Klitschko is bouncing on his toes, avoiding Liston attempts to move inside on him. 7:7
01:36 Liston has Klitschko trapped in the left neutral corner... 7:7
01:40 Liston has his arms wrapped around Klitschko... Now they separate. 7:7
01:51 Liston finally lets go of Klitschko. 7:7
02:05 Liston traps Klitschko in the corner! 7:7
02:10 Liston just delivered a wake-up call!!! He really caught Klitschko with a sharp combination! 11:7
02:10 Klitschko is suddenly in trouble after those punches! 11:7
02:19 The fighters exchange power punches at ring center, looks like Liston got the best of it. 14:9
02:23 Klitschko's right eye is becoming an ugly mass of swollen flesh and has got to be an inviting target for Liston. 14:9
02:29 Liston slides into a neutral corner... 14:9
02:34 Klitschko isn't moving his feet right now, but his upper body movement is giving Liston fits. 14:9
02:38 Liston seems really focused on what he's doing this round. 14:9
02:46 That punch actually went behind Sonny Liston's head as he moved inside of a looping shot from Klitschko. 14:9
02:53 Liston cranks up the hook and connects to Klitschko's jaw, that one had bad intent behind it! 18:9
02:53 Klitschko is dazed and he is in trouble!! 18:9
03:00 Klitschko wraps his arms around Liston. 18:9
03:00 Lane steps in and breaks it up. 18:9
03:00 The crowd is literally screaming in approval as the two fighters look for a minutes respite after a sizzling round of action. 19:10Comment
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