Liston vs. Vitali Klitschko

[sonnyboyx2]

Over half of Liston's wins and over half of his KO's were against guys who weighed under 200. RJJ -"Lewis and Vitali have incredibly heavy hands. Vitali hits harder than Tyson because of his size." Ill take RJJ on it. Lewis had the same KO% as Liston.

Here is where height helps, and any physics majors could help you. Reach is nullified by height. Liston might get a few shots on Vitali, but Vitali had 8 inches on Liston. His punches would hit at the end of their punch and wouldnt hurt Vitali at all. The same thing happens whenever Vitali fights a big puncher. His height allows him to simply lean back and the punches force is nullified. He couldnt do this with Lewis.

Oh and for those keeping score...26 of Lewis's 41 wins came against guys larger than the biggest guy Liston ever faced. The game has changed.

RJJ during the Williams vs Vitali fight- "I couldnt dominate the HW division because of my size. I went up to fight Ruiz to make history."

The games changed. 60% of Lewis's opponents were bigger than the largest guy Liston ever fought. Im not saying Liston was bad.

Also whydo you guys keep ducking the question. Didnt Liston put a blinding substance on his gloves? Or do you think Ali was lying? Which one is it? If he put a blinding substance on his gloves than he probably always had it on and all of his wins shouldnt count just like margarito's.

Of all the posts i have ever read`This one is the ******est`and it is now time for you to back off in this section and go away and learn about the great fighters of yesteryear before you ever make another comment... You are now claiming that

Vitali punches harder than Mike Tyson
Vitali Klitschko's height is 6ft10 and a half inches
Sonny Liston's punches would not hurt Vitali at all
26 of Lewis 41 wins was against guys over 6ft 5ins tall
over half Listons win's was against guys the size of Roy Jones
None of Liston's wins are legit coz he cheated

Your arguments about the Klitschko Brothers being the greatest fighters in Boxing History has Failed, you have nothing to back up your argument other than `Height & Weight` yet Primo Carnera was massive compaired to both brothers with Carnera scoring more KOs than both and being more skilled than both as well as facing the better opposition than both and we all know that Primo Carnera does not make the Top 30 Best Heavyweights.. Wlad Klitschko has been knocked out twice with his loss to Lamon Brewster coming from a much smaller fighter with Vitali Klitschko having not beaten a single fighter who could be rated above Class C and his only claim to fame being that he gallantly lost to a 39yr old Lennox Lewis... Yet Sonny Liston was 10 Lennox Lewis's in terms of brutality & pressure fighting as well as having a jab which was far superior than the jab of Lewis, yet Vitali could not out-jab Lewis nor could he withstand the power of Lennox Lewis... Sonny Liston took the bombs of Cleveland Williams without flinching and Williams was one of the greatest power-punchers in Heavyweight history with him knocking out over 50 men hitting one opponent so hard he broke the guys back and that guy had to go around on crutches for the rest of his life. Yet those same bombs bounced off Sonny Liston... Cleveland Williams would have knocked out every opponent that both Klitschko brothers ever fought in their professional careers with the exception of Lennox Lewis yet he was no match for Sonny Liston... When Sonny Liston signed to fight Floyd Patterson for the Heavyweight Title he was asked by a reporter if he fancied a `Warm-Up Fight` with Ingemar Johansson, Liston replied, "Yeah in the dressing room before i go out to beat Patterson".... Sonny Liston would deal with the Klitschko brothers the same way he deal with Floyd Patterson & Cleveland Williams.. that i am 100% sure of.

[The_Demon]

Its a ridiculous mismatch,Liston would make very light work of vitali and even lighter work of wlad,who he would murder

[T.Horton]

When did Liston fight a 15 rounder? Liston never went past 12 rounds and he only went past 10 round once. He fought 4 matches scheduled 15...3 were KO 1's and 1 he quit after 7. So what are you talking about?

Great so because hes older he had great stamina because there were 15 round matches back then.............................................. ......

Vitali's stamina>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Listons

and also isnt Liston a cheater? didnt he put blinding substances on his gloves? Again, are you guys big fans of margarito?

well if never had to go 15 - good for him - he certainly trained for them.

Vitali is a mouth breather. lol

[Zizou2]

Vitali wins this fight.

Too much skill, an iron jaw and much, much bigger than Liston who is even smaller than Ali.

[Zizou2]

When Sonny Liston signed to fight Floyd Patterson for the Heavyweight Title he was asked by a reporter if he fancied a `Warm-Up Fight` with Ingemar Johansson, Liston replied, "Yeah in the dressing room before i go out to beat Patterson".... Sonny Liston would deal with the Klitschko brothers the same way he deal with Floyd Patterson & Cleveland Williams.. that i am 100% sure of.

This is plain silly.

Both Patterson and Johannson were 182 and 194 pounds respectively and both were 6' tall.

That a 50+ pounds and 8 inches difference between Vitali and those 2 Cruiserweights (according to modern classifications).


Vitali KO's Liston, Patterson and Johannson.

[r.burgundy]

i also would like to knw where sonnyboy gets his heights from

[Die Antwoord]

Of all the posts i have ever read`This one is the ******est`and it is now time for you to back off in this section and go away and learn about the great fighters of yesteryear before you ever make another comment... You are now claiming that

Vitali punches harder than Mike Tyson
Vitali Klitschko's height is 6ft10 and a half inches
Sonny Liston's punches would not hurt Vitali at all
26 of Lewis 41 wins was against guys over 6ft 5ins tall
over half Listons win's was against guys the size of Roy Jones
None of Liston's wins are legit coz he cheated

Your arguments about the Klitschko Brothers being the greatest fighters in Boxing History has Failed, you have nothing to back up your argument other than `Height & Weight` yet Primo Carnera was massive compaired to both brothers with Carnera scoring more KOs than both and being more skilled than both as well as facing the better opposition than both and we all know that Primo Carnera does not make the Top 30 Best Heavyweights.. Wlad Klitschko has been knocked out twice with his loss to Lamon Brewster coming from a much smaller fighter with Vitali Klitschko having not beaten a single fighter who could be rated above Class C and his only claim to fame being that he gallantly lost to a 39yr old Lennox Lewis... Yet Sonny Liston was 10 Lennox Lewis's in terms of brutality & pressure fighting as well as having a jab which was far superior than the jab of Lewis, yet Vitali could not out-jab Lewis nor could he withstand the power of Lennox Lewis... Sonny Liston took the bombs of Cleveland Williams without flinching and Williams was one of the greatest power-punchers in Heavyweight history with him knocking out over 50 men hitting one opponent so hard he broke the guys back and that guy had to go around on crutches for the rest of his life. Yet those same bombs bounced off Sonny Liston... Cleveland Williams would have knocked out every opponent that both Klitschko brothers ever fought in their professional careers with the exception of Lennox Lewis yet he was no match for Sonny Liston... When Sonny Liston signed to fight Floyd Patterson for the Heavyweight Title he was asked by a reporter if he fancied a `Warm-Up Fight` with Ingemar Johansson, Liston replied, "Yeah in the dressing room before i go out to beat Patterson".... Sonny Liston would deal with the Klitschko brothers the same way he deal with Floyd Patterson & Cleveland Williams.. that i am 100% sure of.

Ok im not going to take the time to read all of that. Again 60% of the guys Lewis fought were bigger than the biggest guy Liston ever fought. If you dont think size matters in boxing, well you all must love FLoyd and think Pacquiao doesnt belong in the same sentence as Floyd. I mean Floyd killed JMM. Abused and embarassed him. Pac and JMM have been equals pretty much when they met. So I guess you all love Floyd. Not to mention Pacs biggest accomplishments have been that he fights bigger guys and Floyds biggest criticism is that he fauls noteworthy but smaller guys. So you guys who dont think size matters, must think FLoyd is the GOAT. Hes never lost, fought tons of top 10 p4p fighters, HOFers. He must be considered the GOAT by you guys am I correct?

Also I didnt say Vitali hit harder than Tyson. I quoted RJJ who said it during the Danny Williams vs. Vitali fight.Vitali was bigger than carnera not vice versa, I dont know where Sonny Boy gets his measurements from but its ridiculous. Its not even like worth mentioning or fighting him on his measurements.

Prove that Liston was training for 15 rounds. He quit against Ali after 7 and he only had 4 15 rounders in his life and he lost 50% of them. Vitali breathes more through his mouth early on in fights than later, it has more to do with calming down and what hes comfortable with than anything. We have seen Vitali throw 100 punches in 12 rounds.

Liston only fought 3 12 round matches. 3. Vitali 23.

So Liston had to train for 7 fights past 10 rounds

Vitali had to train for 23 fights past 10 rounds

Please give me an example of some of Listons great conditioning.

[Die Antwoord]

Nope the 70's

cite? no? didnt think so

Also why are you all dodging the question. Didnt Liston put blinding substances on his gloves? How can you take any of his record seriously, or do you guys also believe Margarito did it once as well?

[frankenfrank]

Vitali stops him inside 8 , 10 will be a big surprise.

[$Bullsfam$]

Not to big on Lennox Lewis but he did hit pretty hard even though Sonny most likely hits harder, Vital has an iron chin so I think this gets stopped on cuts or injury in favor of Sonny.

When I bought my champions package on the playstation network when you get the K. Brothers & Liston, this was actually the first match I had and I fought as Liston and has a ****in war where Liston won a split decision.