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Eddie Futch was allowed to use smelling salts on Kenny Norton in one of his fights with Ali and Duran was quite big on smelling salts too I think, he used them in his first fight with Leonard and quite a few others.
Don't think the research that fount that the Salts was dangerous to your health wasn't done until the 80s or so when it was banned, there's plenty of trainers that have used smelling salts after the 50s and nothing bad has been said of them and they haven't been prosecuted for using a 'banned' substance if it was done in the 50s.Last edited by NChristo; 09-03-2010, 03:27 PM.Comment
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No disrespect to anybody but I feel it's absolutely ludicrous to say that Vitali's jab is better than Sonny Liston's.
As for the fight itself I feel Liston would win, unless Sonny couldn't handle the power I don't see Vitali's lumbering/robotic style giving Sonny any problems.Comment
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I actually like Vitali's chances more against Foreman than Liston, and TBH they're not that great against either. Difference being the jab and handspeed (Foreman didn't really develop his jab until his senior incarnation and his handspeed was always abysmal.) Trying to brawl with him the way he did Lennox won't work because Liston's chin is solid and he hits a lot harder, Vitali is more of an accumulation puncher and he'd eventually come up short trying to trade. Leaning back and turning him the way Vitali did Arreola won't work because Liston has better footwork and before Vit even gets into range, he's going to get smacked with Sonny's telephone pole jab.
As far as Liston's chin goes, in the second Ali fight I believe he was just knocked off balance, not seriously hurt. And every time he went to get up, Ali (who hadn't been forced to go to a neutral corner) was right there waiting to hit him on the way up. When Walcott finally gets Ali to go to a corner, Liston gets right up and is ready to continue until the timekeeper informs Walcott that he's been down too long and the fight is over.
Liston was a beast, who unfortunately spent his youth in prison, was ducked for several years before finally getting a shot at Patterson. And then had the unfortunate timing of being past prime and facing a decade (or more) younger version of the greatest heavy of all time.Comment
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Over half of Liston's wins and over half of his KO's were against guys who weighed under 200. RJJ -"Lewis and Vitali have incredibly heavy hands. Vitali hits harder than Tyson because of his size." Ill take RJJ on it. Lewis had the same KO% as Liston.
Here is where height helps, and any physics majors could help you. Reach is nullified by height. Liston might get a few shots on Vitali, but Vitali had 8 inches on Liston. His punches would hit at the end of their punch and wouldnt hurt Vitali at all. The same thing happens whenever Vitali fights a big puncher. His height allows him to simply lean back and the punches force is nullified. He couldnt do this with Lewis.
Oh and for those keeping score...26 of Lewis's 41 wins came against guys larger than the biggest guy Liston ever faced. The game has changed.
RJJ during the Williams vs Vitali fight- "I couldnt dominate the HW division because of my size. I went up to fight Ruiz to make history."
The games changed. 60% of Lewis's opponents were bigger than the largest guy Liston ever fought. Im not saying Liston was bad.
Also whydo you guys keep ducking the question. Didnt Liston put a blinding substance on his gloves? Or do you think Ali was lying? Which one is it? If he put a blinding substance on his gloves than he probably always had it on and all of his wins shouldnt count just like margarito's.Comment
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