Rocky Marciano VS Mike Tyson.

[butterfly1964]

cause ali's prime was waaaaaay years ago plus he had a lay off thats why

holmes was 37 when he fought tyson, and ali was only 32 when he fought foreman.

[butterfly1964]

here comes butterfly

what do you mean? i agree with him, he did say something like that.

[Verstyle]

holmes was 37 when he fought tyson, and ali was only 32 when he fought foreman.

every1 knows age doesnt have to do ne thing with prime

[butterfly1964]

every1 knows age doesnt have to do ne thing with prime

it has some connection, though.

[Verstyle]

it has some connection, though.

SOME is the keyword

[butterfly1964]

SOME is the keyword

yeah, i guess.

so have you met up with kevin rooney yet?

[Yogi]

and holmes was barely passed his prime

I disagree with that comment, my friend, and pretty strongly at that.

The version of Holmes that Tyson fought was quite a ways from being "barely" past his prime, and you can see a VERY noticable difference in the 1988 Larry Holmes and the one who fought in the late 70's (timing was way off, didn't work the jab as much and with the same purpose, hand & foot speed slowed quite noticably, didn't use his legs nearly as much, and especially his upperbody reflexes slowed a tremendous amount)...Holmes' absolute prime was probably in the years from 1978 to 1980, but you could probably push that from 78-82 if you so chose to include the Cooney fight (although there were writings stating Holmes was already past it going into the Cooney fight).

Watch the version of Holmes that fought Norton & Shavers twice, make the comparision to the one that fought Tyson and what do you see?

[The Noose]

The Holmes that fought Spinks was definatley past his prime according to the commenators at the first fight.

I would have thought after retirement Holmes was well past his prime.

[smasher]

The version of Holmes that Tyson fought was quite a ways from being "barely" past his prime, and you can see a VERY noticable difference in the 1988 Larry Holmes and the one who fought in the late 70's (timing was way off, didn't work the jab as much and with the same purpose, hand & foot speed slowed quite noticably, didn't use his legs nearly as much, and especially his upperbody reflexes slowed a tremendous amount

You gotta love those Tyson fans Yogi.

Larry Holmes, winless in 3 years, inactive for 2, previous 2 fights are losses against a light-heavyweight and comes out of retirement at 38 years of age all of which qualifies Larry as barely past his prime.

All the while Tyson as an active undefeated, undisputed heavyweight champion wrecking ball is supposed to be noticeably past his prime at 23....

[SuzieQ49]

"The movie is such total bull**** I never watch it. It caused a lawsuit by Joey Giardello for one thing, and I testified for Giardello for 8 hours straight in Federal depostions.
After I was done, Beacon pictures and their obnoxious lawyer threw in the towel. If anyone doubts that call George Bochetto the former Pennsylvania Boxing Commissioner who was Giardello's lawyer. Joey G. sat next to me and heard me take them on for 8 hours of everything they could throw at me.

I was supposed to do the choreography and kept all my correspondence showing I refused to make Giardello look like a bum and make it look like a racial robbery. I lost the job because of my stand.

Within one week of my testimony they gave Joey G. $350,000.

So, when I sat ringside with my Father and friend Jay on Dec 14, 1964 watching those two guys fight, never did I realize I would help to get one of them out of jail, and then the other win all that dough suing the other. Life is a ***** and then you die.

Carter and I had a falling out, I could not take his surly personality after all those years of kindness to him. He would drink and if you caught him on a bad day, he would act like he did not even know you. He is a very strong man, has been through a lot, and the police on that case did some bad and illegal things, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

The ******* dush bags who jumped on the bandwagon don't know a ****ing thing about it. That alone makes me throw up my nuts.

It is between Carter and God now.

The movie was such a lie, such a contrived piece of **** concocted by the Canadians in a self-serving vehicle to enshrine their efforts which started out as a benign thing then gravitated to perversion and territoriality.

Not one thing in the movie is true, almost nothing.

I lived that thing with Carter and watching the move with the character of Lezra, who wrote the mother****er a letter in crayon while he was in jail, and that was supposedly the catalyst which created penicillen in this saga? Please.

Lezra Martin's former wife hates his guts, said in public he is full of ****, the movie was a lie, and all the people connected with Carter from the 60's threw up collectively when we saw it.

Some day I will do the real story on it in a move with the Carter story just as the back story. It will be a Deep Throat masterpiece if any producer has the balls to do it.

I'll write a book first."- ronald lipton