Based PURELY on Skill, Were Does Wlad Rank With The ATG HW's?

[GJC]

In regards to Vitali it was as an amateur and it was due to an injury. Volodymyr has never used steroids and your "they're brothers" bull**** holds no weight, it simply exposes you as having irrational hate for them.

Ben Johnson had an injury too didn't he? So it's ok to only cheat when you're an amateur, you ouldn't think of cheating when there's millions involved?
OK so Vitali wasn't adverse to using them but now even though they are harder to spot he has stopped?
Even when he was out for all that time with injury he never used them?
Nothing to do with brothers it's to do with them training together etc.
So when he uses them Wlad just excuses himself from the room?
OK I'm convinced

Problem with you Klitschko fans is you are happy to throw the dirt using the most ludicrous theories but when someone throws something back with far more albeit circumstantial proof you whine!

[Jim Jeffries]

Problem with you Klitschko fans is you are happy to throw the dirt using the most ludicrous theories but when someone throws something back with far more albeit circumstantial proof you whine!

I suppose the problem with you Klitschko haters is that you continue to bring up something that happened 14 years ago to smear a current world champion, despite no evidence at all that he's used since then. And on top of that convict his brother Wladimir of the same offense, in spite of the fact that he obviously tested negative for the same Olympic games, where he won gold.

Nice change from the usual "weakest era ever," "wouldn't be journeyman in any other era," "inferior to prior large heavies like Jess Williard and Primo Carnera," nonsense that is usually spouted on here, I suppose.

[GJC]

I suppose the problem with you Klitschko haters is that you continue to bring up something that happened 14 years ago to smear a current world champion, despite no evidence at all that he's used since then. And on top of that convict his brother Wladimir of the same offense, in spite of the fact that he obviously tested negative for the same Olympic games, where he won gold.

Nice change from the usual "weakest era ever," "wouldn't be journeyman in any other era," "inferior to prior large heavies like Jess Williard and Primo Carnera," nonsense that is usually spouted on here, I suppose.

Flo Jo didn't test positive, reckon she was on the level?

Don't hate the Klitschko's think they carry themselves with dignity and they are dominant champions. I have problems with their fans who think they have re invented the wheel and rather than put them in context try and besmirch great fighters from the past.
But whilst they can dish it out, throw some back and they can't handle it.
Guess that's why they empathise with Wlad so much I guess

[Canelo Phresh]

top 30 probably

[Mikhnienko]

Ben Johnson had an injury too didn't he? So it's ok to only cheat when you're an amateur, you ouldn't think of cheating when there's millions involved?
OK so Vitali wasn't adverse to using them but now even though they are harder to spot he has stopped?
Even when he was out for all that time with injury he never used them?
Nothing to do with brothers it's to do with them training together etc.
So when he uses them Wlad just excuses himself from the room?
OK I'm convinced

Problem with you Klitschko fans is you are happy to throw the dirt using the most ludicrous theories but when someone throws something back with far more albeit circumstantial proof you whine!

lol cool. Then like i said Roy Jones, James Toney, and Evander Holyfield's careers are irrelevent and should never be discussed along with any fighter who ever trained with them. Phag.

[Jim Jeffries]

Flo Jo didn't test positive, reckon she was on the level?

Don't hate the Klitschko's think they carry themselves with dignity and they are dominant champions. I have problems with their fans who think they have re invented the wheel and rather than put them in context try and besmirch great fighters from the past.

I've never felt the need to discredit former greats like Ali or Foreman to pump up the Klits and I doubt most of the nonsense that is spouted on here about them is from real Klitschko fans at all. Or maybe it's just the same two or three delusional idiots with multiple alts. Either way, it's a bit silly to put all their fans in one boat, or even assume that to be a fan of one, you're automatically a fan of both.

But whilst they can dish it out, throw some back and they can't handle it.
Guess that's why they empathise with Wlad so much I guess

Yes of course, everyone knows Wlad is glass chinned and has no heart.

In spite of the fact that he's beaten the count in every one of his dozen or so knockdowns and came back from several brutal beatings to dominate a division well past his physical prime.

[GJC]

I've never felt the need to discredit former greats like Ali or Foreman to pump up the Klits and I doubt most of the nonsense that is spouted on here about them is from real Klitschko fans at all. Or maybe it's just the same two or three delusional idiots with multiple alts. Either way, it's a bit silly to put all their fans in one boat, or even assume that to be a fan of one, you're automatically a fan of both.



Yes of course, everyone knows Wlad is glass chinned and has no heart.

In spite of the fact that he's beaten the count in every one of his dozen or so knockdowns and came back from several brutal beatings to dominate a division well past his physical prime.

Like I said before I have a great deal of respect for the Klits and do rate Vitali but not so much Wlad. The thing I don't like is the double standards by these fans who do them no credit. Ali is accussed of cheating by using smelling salts in the 60's when they were legal but we have to ignore Vitali using steroids. We have to give Wlad credit for getting off the canvas but none can be given to Ali for getting off the canvas against Cooper/Frazier etc.
Wlad's prime can only be picked from the day after he lost his last fight but Ali's prime has to include Berbick etc etc etc.
There is just a complete lack of perspective from these "fans"

[Jim Jeffries]

Like I said before I have a great deal of respect for the Klits and do rate Vitali but not so much Wlad. The thing I don't like is the double standards by these fans who do them no credit. Ali is accussed of cheating by using smelling salts in the 60's when they were legal but we have to ignore Vitali using steroids. We have to give Wlad credit for getting off the canvas but none can be given to Ali for getting off the canvas against Cooper/Frazier etc.
Wlad's prime can only be picked from the day after he lost his last fight but Ali's prime has to include Berbick etc etc etc.

You don't "have" to do anything, I've already given my opinion of the few rotten apple fans you speak of (who'd probably go away if you'd quit responding to them.) Anyone who questions Ali's heart inside the ring isn't worth responding to. And anyone who calls Berbick anything remotely close to Ali's prime needs to be permabanned.

There is just a complete lack of perspective from these "fans"

I agree. Though of course for every one of them, there are ten (less so in the history section) that claim neither would be even be anything resembling a contender in any other era.

[GJC]

You seem to have a balanced view on them which is refreshing.
As far as I'm concerned the Klit's are currently fighting and should not appear in the history section in anything like the frequency they do.
You can only really judge a fighter when he is done.
I do feel sorry for them because the one fight that would push one of them up historically is with each other. For my money i'd favour Vitali.

[SNVDoublePunch!]

very low on the heavyweight champions list 25-30 with Primo Carnera being more skilled than both Vitali & Wlad.