is Vitali better or worse than Primo Carnera

[StarshipTrooper]

Wlad is light years better than Primo.

Don't kid yourself troll.

You're trolling in the History section again looking to stir up **** I see.

Poet

[Tyson.]

[MeccaOfBoxing]

Wlad lacks chin, stamina, and toughness. His flashier skill set matters little compared to those deficiencies. That's why Vitaly is clearly the better of the two. This is the pros: It's better to have a great chin then polished technique.

Poet

His stamina is is pretty good now. He stops alot of fighters late on. And he can't help it, if he hasn't got a cast iron chin. Lots of greats fighters over the years lacked a good chin etc Lennox Lewis, Tiger Flowers, Floyd Patterson

[sonnyboyx2]

Having watched all that what makes you believe there's a reason to compare?

I wouldn't think there was as it's my belief that although Carnera is likely underrated, he is nothing compared to Vitali.

i ask because i feel they are very much alike although i would give the edge to Carnera who IMO has better boxing skills than Vitali, Carnera could throw hooks whereas Vitali kinda throws arms punches, Carnera was more agile on his feet than Vitali even tho he was far heavier, both had decent jabs yet Carnera was far better at in-fighting than Vitali and he fought far better opposition than Vitali...

There is plenty of footage of both Vitali & Carnera on youtube and IMO Carnera would be a very difficult fight for Vitali... here is a couple of links

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5-zl-wkoqE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trEGY-q_IFA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENlwpAJBDhs

[StarshipTrooper]

His stamina is is pretty good now. He stops alot of fighters late on. And he can't help it, if he hasn't got a cast iron chin. Lots of greats fighters over the years lacked a good chin etc Lennox Lewis, Tiger Flowers, Floyd Patterson

His stamina only appears alright now because he doesn't throw very many punches.....he knows if he sets anything resembling a normal Heavyweight workrate he'll gas out just like in the Brewster fight. That kind of pedestrian workrate isn't going to cut it against an ATG or even near-great opponent. And btw, Patterson and Lennox are near-greats not ATGs as their chins keep them from making the cut.

Poet

[MeccaOfBoxing]

His stamina only appears alright now because he doesn't throw very many punches.....he knows if he sets anything resembling a normal Heavyweight workrate he'll gas out just like in the Brewster fight. That kind of pedestrian workrate isn't going to cut it against an ATG or even near-great opponent. And btw, Patterson and Lennox are near-greats not ATGs as their chins keep them from making the cut.

Poet

whats about Tiger Flowers then? he's a ATG with a bad chin

[TheGreatA]

Carnera lacked Vitali's ability to take a punch, although he had a ton of heart. He was a good athlete, faster on his feet than most 250+ pound men, but he did not get full leverage behind his punches other than the jab. When Carnera hit you, you would feel it though, but he wasn't a huge puncher despite his knockout record and neither is Vitali for that matter. Both got most of their opponents out of there however by overwhelming them. Carnera had more knockouts than any other heavyweight champion while we all know about Vitali's knockout record.

Primo was well-taught, but his late start prevented him from being a "natural" in the ring. Vitali can come off as unorthodox, avoiding punches by leaning backwards and backing straight up, but he gets away with it due to his height. To both of their credit, they took full advantage of their superior size and strength against smaller opponents. Neither are outstanding technically, just very dedicated to their craft and physically superior to most of their opponents. There are few men of that size who can actually box and move around the ring for 12 or more rounds.

All in all, I'd say that the difference is Vitali's fighting experience from since he was young, both in boxing and kickboxing, while Carnera did not take up boxing until he was around 20 years old. Vitali is a lot more comfortable in the ring, unlike Carnera who reportedly never liked boxing, lost his "killer" instinct after being involved with the death of Ernie Schaaf and was probably more suited to be a wrestler. But he did win the heavyweight title legitimately from a very good fighter.

[StarshipTrooper]

whats about Tiger Flowers then? he's a ATG with a bad chin

And we established Flowers had a bad chin how? Because he was KOed 10 times in over 150 bouts? Bear in mind Flowers was a Middleweight and some of those KOs came against Heavyweights. I doubt we'd be talking about what a crappy chin Hagler had if he decided to move up and fight Larry Holmes and got KOed. At least we better not.

Poet

[MeccaOfBoxing]

And we established Flowers had a bad chin how? Because he was KOed 10 times in over 150 bouts? Bear in mind Flowers was a Middleweight and some of those KOs came against Heavyweights. I doubt we'd be talking about what a crappy chin Hagler had if he decided to move up and fight Larry Holmes and got KOed. At least we better not.

Poet

It's well known Flowers chin was his major flaw. Even Cyber Boxing Zone say it....

He usually threw many punches and could hit with sharp blows but frequently tapped lightly; His major weakness was his chin

http://cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/flowers.htm

He lost 15, and 10 of those losses were via KO. And most of the KO'S never came against Heavyweights either.

[StarshipTrooper]

It's well known Flowers chin was his major flaw. Even Cyber Boxing Zone say it....


http://cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/flowers.htm

He lost 15, and 10 of those losses were via KO. And most of the KO'S never came against Heavyweights either.

Weakness doesn't necessarily equate to bad. Tommy Hearn's chin was a major weakness.....but I would never claim he was glass-jawed either.

Poet