Where Do You Rank Calzaghe On Your h2h ATG List

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I don't even think he could beat Dirrell or Ward of this era nevertheless prime Toney, Hopkins, and he would be lucky to kiss the floor prime Roy Jones walked on. He's a freakin clown that ducked Glenn Johnson numerous times. So that makes me think maybe even Froch or Abraham could even maybe knock him the **** out.

let me guess, you've only seen 2 calzaghe fights and those were hopkins & jones fights

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let me guess, you've only seen 2 calzaghe fights and those were hopkins & jones fights

Wrong, I've seen the Eubanks, Bika, Manfredo, Kessler, and Lacey fights too. His biggest wins that make up his only decent resume.

He's never fought anybody just as fast as him in his prime. He beat Hopkins & Jones because of speed and cardio because they are old men. In their primes they are not half as slow, Jones is way faster then Joe, and would destroy him.

The rest of those guys are C-B class one dimensional fighters. He better have beaten them. The Kessler win is his best win to date and Kessler is decent at everything but great at nothing. Kessler has been getting exposed a lot lately so that win is getting weaker and weaker because even Carl Froch was able to keep up with him in a BOXING match, Froch actually kept up with him and made it close. That's absolutely horrible considering Froch has little too know boxing technique and is pretty much all chin, power, and aggression not to mention mad ugly.

[T.McGrady]

no disrespect to prime RJJ, but I dont think RJJ in his prime had devastating knock out ability at 168. They say power is one of the last things to go and in their fight at a higher weight, Cal took Roys punches and smiled. I admit RJJ was shot, but I dont think his power was that far off. Im not saying Jones was bad at all, I just never saw him as a guy youd really worry about taking a shot from. He could hurt you, but Calzaghe in his prime never went down, there are other fighters at that weight I think hed fear more. Its more of a barrage of punches or being caught off balance by a RJJ left hook or something that Id worry about as a Calzaghe fan.

I don't remember him smiling when he went down in the 1st...
Beside, jones landed only 4 or 5 good clean punches, and if i remember correctly joe was hurt when he got countered by that right uppercut(he clinched imediatley).

Now let's get back to prime jones. Toney's chin is known as one of the toughest chins in sport. IMO if jones' punches hurt toney, it will damn sure hurt joe worse.

[KlownvonnomaD]

In my opinion Joe would probably out work any fighter.
He throws so much leather, and seems to throw more the longer the fight goes. I can't really think of too many boxers of that size that can truely go at pace for the full 12.

And regardless of what anyone says he had a solid chin (yea got floored afew times, but got back up to win all those fights). Very tough fighter.

As for any of todays Super Middles/Light Heavies taking him out. No chance.

[Wlad Klitschko]

I don't remember him smiling when he went down in the 1st...
Beside, jones landed only 4 or 5 good clean punches, and if i remember correctly joe was hurt when he got countered by that right uppercut(he clinched imediatley).

Now let's get back to prime jones. Toney's chin is known as one of the toughest chins in sport. IMO if jones' punches hurt toney, it will damn sure hurt joe worse.

Ok, yoru first point. Joe went down from a forearm shot. Not debatable, not saying it was illegal or anything, but thats a bit of a fluke shot. Also, joe got right back up and was fine. Again as I mentioned, Joe didnt spar and was past prime too. Those initial hits when you get back in the ring after a long lay off, feel like blasts from Shannon Briggs or soemthign. Trust me, im not sure ifyouve been in the ring (not antagonizing you, I just dont know), but if you have then youd probably know that if you havent felt a punch in a while it feels different. By the end of Joes career he wasnt really hitting stride until the 3rd round.

As for the Toney fight. 1. I am of the camp that do not think Toney was "prime" for that fight. He looked slow, he looked weight drained, he wasnt the same Toney. Also, the one KD, I didnt rule a real KD.Also I never thought Toney was that hurt in that fight. I wish they would have rematched later on at 175.

Also why is Toney's chin listed as one of the best. I know it is, but why isnt Joe's. Joe went down only 4 times. Took some blasts from hard hitting guys, got in the ring with Eubank and Kessler, and Lacy. I mean when joe fought Lacy he was clearly much better than when lacy fought Jones and his other fights. Joe ruined Lacy. joe gets no credit from it.

Also Jones better KO Calzaghe, because Joe would outwork Jones, in my years of watching boxing ive never seen anyone else with Joe's motor. The dude could throw and throw and throw. Add in the southpaw element, which can throw many fighters off, and theres no way you can say prime jones would definitely beat calzaghe. Joe was complimentary towards JOnes, maybe because he wanted to get him into the ring? Jones never faced Benn, Eubank, Collins, Calzaghe and waited till McCallum was a foot in his grave to fight him. People ridicule Calzaghe, but Calzaghe just had the misfortune for coming into things whent he great non-americans were tailing off. Cal tried to fight Collins, but Collins pulled out. He fought Eubank and Benn was nothing at that time. Its not Joes fault the undefeated "unbeatable" guys he beat he ruined.

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Ok, yoru first point. Joe went down from a forearm shot. Not debatable, not saying it was illegal or anything, but thats a bit of a fluke shot. Also, joe got right back up and was fine. Again as I mentioned, Joe didnt spar and was past prime too. Those initial hits when you get back in the ring after a long lay off, feel like blasts from Shannon Briggs or soemthign. Trust me, im not sure ifyouve been in the ring (not antagonizing you, I just dont know), but if you have then youd probably know that if you havent felt a punch in a while it feels different. By the end of Joes career he wasnt really hitting stride until the 3rd round.

As for the Toney fight. 1. I am of the camp that do not think Toney was "prime" for that fight. He looked slow, he looked weight drained, he wasnt the same Toney. Also, the one KD, I didnt rule a real KD.Also I never thought Toney was that hurt in that fight. I wish they would have rematched later on at 175.

Also why is Toney's chin listed as one of the best. I know it is, but why isnt Joe's. Joe went down only 4 times. Took some blasts from hard hitting guys, got in the ring with Eubank and Kessler, and Lacy. I mean when joe fought Lacy he was clearly much better than when lacy fought Jones and his other fights. Joe ruined Lacy. joe gets no credit from it.

Also Jones better KO Calzaghe, because Joe would outwork Jones, in my years of watching boxing ive never seen anyone else with Joe's motor. The dude could throw and throw and throw. Add in the southpaw element, which can throw many fighters off, and theres no way you can say prime jones would definitely beat calzaghe. Joe was complimentary towards JOnes, maybe because he wanted to get him into the ring? Jones never faced Benn, Eubank, Collins, Calzaghe and waited till McCallum was a foot in his grave to fight him. People ridicule Calzaghe, but Calzaghe just had the misfortune for coming into things whent he great non-americans were tailing off. Cal tried to fight Collins, but Collins pulled out. He fought Eubank and Benn was nothing at that time. Its not Joes fault the undefeated "unbeatable" guys he beat he ruined.

You should explain all of this to the "complimenting" Calzaghe

Actually to quote Joe Calzaghe himself.

"I could probably give Jones a tough fight, probably the best fight he's ever had," said Calzaghe. "But I know my capabilities and unless I got paid the crown ***els I wouldn't want to risk it."

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/sport/...-honest-joe.do

Even Joe knew an ass beating was in store if took the fight.

[Wlad Klitschko]

You should explain all of this to the "complimenting" Calzaghe

Joe doesnt say he would lose, Joe wanted to get Jones in the ring. The word "risk" alone means that Joe thinks there was definitely a chance of winning. Joe never wanted to lose his 0 that was clear. That 0 was worth more to him than anything. Joe here is admitting that Jones "could" beat him. As I said, i think Jones "could" beat Calzaghe, but id favor Joe.

[Zig Zag.]

You should explain all of this to the "complimenting" Calzaghe

[T.McGrady]

Ok, yoru first point. Joe went down from a forearm shot. Not debatable, not saying it was illegal or anything, but thats a bit of a fluke shot. Also, joe got right back up and was fine. Again as I mentioned, Joe didnt spar and was past prime too. Those initial hits when you get back in the ring after a long lay off, feel like blasts from Shannon Briggs or soemthign. Trust me, im not sure ifyouve been in the ring (not antagonizing you, I just dont know), but if you have then youd probably know that if you havent felt a punch in a while it feels different. By the end of Joes career he wasnt really hitting stride until the 3rd round.

As for the Toney fight. 1. I am of the camp that do not think Toney was "prime" for that fight. He looked slow, he looked weight drained, he wasnt the same Toney. Also, the one KD, I didnt rule a real KD.Also I never thought Toney was that hurt in that fight. I wish they would have rematched later on at 175.

Also why is Toney's chin listed as one of the best. I know it is, but why isnt Joe's. Joe went down only 4 times. Took some blasts from hard hitting guys, got in the ring with Eubank and Kessler, and Lacy. I mean when joe fought Lacy he was clearly much better than when lacy fought Jones and his other fights. Joe ruined Lacy. joe gets no credit from it.

Also Jones better KO Calzaghe, because Joe would outwork Jones, in my years of watching boxing ive never seen anyone else with Joe's motor. The dude could throw and throw and throw. Add in the southpaw element, which can throw many fighters off, and theres no way you can say prime jones would definitely beat calzaghe. Joe was complimentary towards JOnes, maybe because he wanted to get him into the ring? Jones never faced Benn, Eubank, Collins, Calzaghe and waited till McCallum was a foot in his grave to fight him. People ridicule Calzaghe, but Calzaghe just had the misfortune for coming into things whent he great non-americans were tailing off. Cal tried to fight Collins, but Collins pulled out. He fought Eubank and Benn was nothing at that time. Its not Joes fault the undefeated "unbeatable" guys he beat he ruined.

I wasn't talking about the KD when i said jones hurt toney in thier bout. He hurt 3 or 4 times.Whether he was drained or not, toney always have a great chin(he never been KO by anyone, not even the HWs).

"Also why is Toney's chin listed as one of the best. I know it is, but why isnt Joe's. Joe went down only 4 times. Took some blasts from hard hitting guys, got in the ring with Eubank and Kessler, and Lacy. I mean when joe fought Lacy he was clearly much better than when lacy fought Jones and his other fights. Joe ruined Lacy. joe gets no credit from it."
Because joe never faced a serious puncher in his prime(and took some punches well). Plus he got KD by 3 past prime fighters and a nobody(SMWs, and LHs). Toney got hit by hard hitters in those HWs and CWs (Jirov fight for example). As for lacy, lol i can't believe you brought his name to the discussion. I mean the guy is an overrated bum, and he can't punch for ****.

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Joe doesnt say he would lose, Joe wanted to get Jones in the ring. The word "risk" alone means that Joe thinks there was definitely a chance of winning. Joe never wanted to lose his 0 that was clear. That 0 was worth more to him than anything. Joe here is admitting that Jones "could" beat him. As I said, i think Jones "could" beat Calzaghe, but id favor Joe.

To give you a comparison... Jones said similar things about fighting Lennox Lewis, not Joe Calzaghe.

I know you favor Calzaghe, that's because you don't know crap about boxing, you simply look at the color of ppl skin. Start watching fights in negative occasionally, it could help your understanding of the sport.