Blueprints:The fights which revealed how to beat certain fighters

[Toney616]

True but he moved way too much.

Rounds 10-12
He thought he had the fight won, so he decided to cruise and it cost him dearly

[Toney616]

i am debating on how useful that would be with the improved version of pac we see these days.

The thing is that since jmm2, Pacquaio has never fought another fight which uses that combination, or even has a straight right hand in their arsenal.

Diaz
Oscar
Hatton
Cotto
Clottey

Are all left hand dominant fighters, with no straight right hand. Margarito on the other hand is a right hand dominant fighter, who uses the left jab, straight right alot. For the record I favour Margarito to win that fight, if it gets made.

[Toney616]

Ali would avenge his first defeat(twice) in decisive manner.

You class Ali-Frazier II as a decisive win for Ali?

Ray Leonard vs Roerto Duran 2: Showed that Duran couldn't deal with real footwork,that his ability cut off the ring was overrated,as he never really did this in the first fight with Leonard,either.

Interesting point

Also exposed lack of heart of Duran,in quitting rather than take the inevitable beating that he was to receive in the late rounds.

No Mas

Marvin Hagler vs Marcos Geraldo: The usually aggressive Geraldo changed tactics and took Hagler's role as the counter puncher in this fight.Using smart movement and well-placed/timed spurts,Geraldo confused Hagler a great deal.Hagler found a way to win,but it exposed a great chink in Hagler's armour,which would later be duplicated by Ray Leonard some seven years later.

Good point, that was a hard earned victory for Hagler.

To be honest, no one could of expected a retired welterweight to stand in front of Hagler

[RagingTheBull]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that Dirrell exposed Abraham. Abraham was outboxed for 7-8 rounds straight, but and knocked down. I think that everyone will try to use that gameplan against the armenian fighter int the future and I do not know if Abraham will be able to change his style.

Quintana exposed Williams: the american can't deal with slick southpaws, period.

[Toney616]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that Dirrell exposed Abraham. Abraham was outboxed for 7-8 rounds straight, but and knocked down. I think that everyone will try to use that gameplan against the armenian fighter int the future and I do not know if Abraham will be able to change his style.

Before that fight, a guy on youtube said that his style leaves him vunerable to getting outworked, the same applied to Winky during his fight with Pwill, where he was just overwhelmed from the first bell.

Quintana exposed Williams: the american can't deal with slick southpaws, period.

I had him losing the Martinez fight as well. When he throws his right, he drops his left, when he throws his left, he drops his right, which is why he was eating counters all night. I reckon Martinez will win their rematch as well, if it takes place

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Rounds 10-12
He thought he had the fight won, so he decided to cruise and it cost him dearly

Sorry I did not express myself clearlty. I meant that he moved too much and wasted energy, all through the fight. That's a typical Oscar mistake. A true master like Hop was able to implement a similar idea much better.

To be honest, DLH clearly won. You are right that he moved around in the late rounds, but that's not what i had in mind.

[Toney616]

Sorry I did not express myself clearlty. I meant that he moved too much and wasted energy, all through the fight. That's a typical Oscar mistake. A true master like Hop was able to implement a similar idea much better.

True, it was a masterful performance by Hopkins

To be honest, DLH clearly won. You are right that he moved around in the late rounds, but that's not what i had in mind.

ok

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ali was slick now?

This isn't slick?



Jermain Taylor kind of laid out the blue print to beat Hopkins or I guess it was just a bad style match up but those two fights tell me that Dawson beats older Hopkins if they fight although I thought Hopkins barely squeezed the 1st fight out although I wasn't shocked at all by the decision or mad because it could of gone either way, it was just a bad style match up for Hopkins. Hopkins likes to pick his spots and take his time to figure you out. But Taylor kept the jab out in his face all night that Hopkins couldn't get into a rhythm until he started letting his hands go later in the fight.

And call me crazy but Andre Ward reminds me of Bernard Hopkins for some reason, anybody agree or disagree with that? I don't know I guess it's because of his great ability to fight inside and outside, but Andre Ward possesses all the skills of Jermain Taylor too so I think based on those two fights, that's why I'm actually leaning toward Ward with the upset in that fight because I think he'll use that jab all night.

If you think I'm dead off please learn meh!

[Vadrigar.]

My pick is Hamed-Barrera and somewhat Kevin Kelly. I'll explain later on.

[Toney616]

Jermain Taylor kind of laid out the blue print to beat Hopkins[ or I guess it was just a bad style match up but those two fights tell me that Dawson beats older Hopkins if they fight although I thought Hopkins barely squeezed the 1st fight out although I wasn't shocked at all by the decision or mad because it could of gone either way, it was just a bad style match up for Hopkins. Hopkins likes to pick his spots and take his time to figure you out. But Taylor kept the jab out in his face all night that Hopkins couldn't get into a rhythm until he started letting his hands go later in the fight.

I can agree with this. It was Taylor's ability to close the gap and shoot the double jab which gave Hopkins a lot of problems. Hopkins is used to slipping a single jab and countering, but he couldnt do that against a double jab, and he was caught with the second jab quite a bit. The only way for Hopkins to win was to take the lead and he didnt want to do that, which is why he started fouling to throw Taylor of his gameplan. He only started coming on strong at the end because Taylor started to tire and was getting hit with right hand leads that he had previously been slipping.

I guess the basic outline was not to allow Hopkins to play the role of the counterpuncher and force him to take to lead, which he isnt comfortable doing. Calzaghe would try to overwhelm Hopkins's with his workrate, not give him a chance to counterpunch and try to slip Hopkins, right hand counters/leads

So in that way their basic strategy was similiar

And call me crazy but Andre Ward reminds me of Bernard Hopkins for some reason, anybody agree or disagree with that? I don't know I guess it's because of his great ability to fight inside and outside, but Andre Ward possesses all the skills of Jermain Taylor too so I think based on those two fights, that's why I'm actually leaning toward Ward with the upset in that fight because I think he'll use that jab all night.

If you think I'm dead off please learn meh!

Ward reminded me of Zahir Raheem with some of his moves during his fight with Kessler, he uses headbutts as a form of strategy also, so I guess he is like Hopkins in that way