Blueprints:The fights which revealed how to beat certain fighters

[StarshipTrooper]

ken norton certainly swarmed Ali and kept him in the corners.

Norton's style was poison to slick boxers: It was designed to take away everything they did. It came at a heavy cost as that particular style left Norton supremely vulnerable to straight ahead punchers.

Poet

[BennyST]

Ali-Frazier I: set the blueprint of how to beat a short left hook dominant fighter. Rahman, Douglas, Holyfield and Ike would all some form of Ali's tactics when they fought Tyson/Tua

Toney-McCallum II: McCallum was throwing mainly left hooks, left jabs and circling to Toneys left, away from his counter right, Jones and Griffin would use this stragey when they fought Toney

Morales-Pacquaio: showed that Pac is vunerable to the left jab, straight right combination, Jmm would use the same offensive attack during his second fight with Pac.

Can anyone here think of any more?

Hadn't we already seen it with Marquez/Pac 1? Morales beat him, but without the first round Marquez would have beaten him much worse and showed a hell of a lot more of what frustrates, and can be used to beat, Pac than Morales did.

Ali/Frazier could even more easily be the other way around. Frazier used constant pressure and smart aggression to get inside and beat the hell out of Ali. I honestly don't see how that is a blueprint on how to beat Frazier. Frazier showed how to beat Ali, not the other way around.

[SplitSecond]

Norton's style was poison to slick boxers: It was designed to take away everything they did. It came at a heavy cost as that particular style left Norton supremely vulnerable to straight ahead punchers.

Poet

ali was slick now? i'd consider slipping punches being slick not jogging backwards, but anyways

norton's style was poisin to the jab you mean

[StarshipTrooper]

ali was slick now?

You're about the only person on the planet who doesn't think he was.

i'd consider slipping punches being slick not jogging backwards, but anyways

That's because you're ******ed.

norton's style was poisin to the jab you mean

Among other things. And it's "poison" you illiterate twat.

Poet

[BennyST]

Duran vs. Leonard I and II- Although Duran had one loss on his record going into the first Leonard fight, Leonard showed in their first meeting how to neutralize Duran's relentless attack. Although he lost the decision, he clearly had a working strategy going into the second fight, a strategy that caused Duran to quit in frustration from Leonard's footwork and outside combinations.

Ummmmmm............No.

If anyone had the 'blueprint' on how to beat Duran it was Edwin Viruet who used the exact style same as Leonard in the rematch but Viruet was a lightweight and at Duran's prime, and while he did very well and showed the blueprint to Dundee (who was watching) Dundee still thought you beat him by backing him up.

Leonard did not create the blueprint to beat him. He used another plan to get a slower, less in shape Duran and then run circles around him.

Viruet showed it first though, years and years before but Duran was at his best and a lightweight and happened to be much faster with feet and hands than as a WW and in much better shape and while it worked better (Viruet that is) compared to other fights and fighters, he still lost nearly every round and got the hell beaten out of him.

So, I know what you mean, but Leonard didn't create any blueprint.

[prinzemanspopa]

George foreman vs Joe frazier 1: Showed that frazier couldn't take even a glancing shot from a real puncher.It also showed that frazier couldn't beat an elite heavyweight,who wasn't ****** enough to fight frazier's fight(besides Ali in their third meeting),and who wasn't plagued with ring rust.Jimmy Ellis was too old and shopworn to take notice,Ali would avenge his first defeat(twice) in decisive manner.foreman would later toy with frazier again and scared him off into retirement.



Ray Leonard vs Roerto Duran 2: Showed that Duran couldn't deal with real footwork,that his ability cut off the ring was overrated,as he never really did this in the first fight with Leonard,either.Also exposed lack of heart of Duran,in quitting rather than take the inevitable beating that he was to receive in the late rounds.



Marvin Hagler vs Marcos Geraldo: The usually aggressive Geraldo changed tactics and took Hagler's role as the counter puncher in this fight.Using smart movement and well-placed/timed spurts,Geraldo confused Hagler a great deal.Hagler found a way to win,but it exposed a great chink in Hagler's armour,which would later be duplicated by Ray Leonard some seven years later.

[BigStereotype]

Its been a while since Ive seen that fight, would you say that Marg plan was similar to Torres's plan?

Yeah, gameplan was similar, but like Kellerman said: This ain't Ricardo Torres. Margarito was just able to deal with Cotto's power and speed better and weather the storm. Torres wasn't. And nobody bumrushed like Margarito...

[Toney616]

Hadn't we already seen it with Marquez/Pac 1? Morales beat him, but without the first round Marquez would have beaten him much worse and showed a hell of a lot more of what frustrates, and can be used to beat, Pac than Morales did..

It was the combination that Morales used which gave Pacman fits. He would jab, when Pac tried to slip it he would then hit pac with the straight right. During round 8(i think) he does it 3 times in a row. He basically won using that combination, he was also at times circling away from Pacquaios left hand. He of course kept his right hand close to his face to protect himself from Pacs left hand. Marquez would use the same combo during his ssecond fight with Pacquiao
As seen here:

Ali/Frazier could even more easily be the other way around. Frazier used constant pressure and smart aggression to get inside and beat the hell out of Ali. I honestly don't see how that is a blueprint on how to beat Frazier. Frazier showed how to beat Ali, not the other way around.

Ali was circling to Frazier's right, he was using footwork to keep Frazier at the end of his jab. He was jabbing some times following up with a left hook or he would jab, right cross and then follow up with a left hook. He would also tie up Frazier on the inside to stop Frazier from going to work on the inside. I know he lost the first fight, but he would of course go on two win the following two rematches.

Tyson-Douglas:
Buster would use footwork to try to stay out of Tyson's punching range, he would use the following combo: double jab, right cross, left hook and then quickly bring his right hand back up to protect himself from Tyson's left hook.
Sometimes he would jab and then try to follow up with a uppercut to catch Tyson if he was leaning forward.

Ike-Tua: Jab, follow up with left hook, or he would jab, then throw a right cross and then quickly bring his right hand back to guard his chin

Rahman-Tua:Same as above

[SBleeder]

Considering you cannot find a single second of fight 2 where Leonard fights as in fight 1...

Considering Leonard did not neutralize anything in their first fight...

What you wrote is bs.

Are you kidding me?

You're trying to say that Leonard did not stop Duran's attack in the first fight?

[wmute]

Are you kidding me?

You're trying to say that Leonard did not stop Duran's attack in the first fight?

Yes. I will be as bold as to say that.