Joe Frazier said the judges were paid off in the 2nd fight with Muhammad Ali

[GJC]

Now he made a commy out of me.

Poet thinks everyone is a commie

[boxing boy]

Second time I am asking you this question since you ignored it the last time :
Should the ropes fit to the ring ? yes or no ?

Did someone offer him these 2 options ?
I don't know what I would have chosen.

For the 10th time....The ropes should fit the ring.If your fighting in a 10 foot ring,you should not use ropes from a 12 foot ring.

The problem is there are no ropes for a 16 foot ring,because there are no 16 foot rings for Championship fights.Championship rings are always 20-24 feet.Especially in HEAVYWEIGHT championship fights.

Foreman got a big gift in getting a small 16 foot ring.Foreman's trainer and manager tried to cheat getting a small ring,but Foreman got KO'd anyway.That's what you get for trying to cheat.Lol

This thread is about Joe Frazier saying that the judges got paid off in his 2nd fight with Muhammad Ali.It seems only Frazier thought he won that fight.The judges and referee scored the fight 8-4,7-4-1,6-5-1....All for Muhammad Ali.And 99% of boxing fans and boxing writers thought Muhammad Ali won!

[frankenfrank]

For the 10th time....The ropes should fit the ring.If your fighting in a 10 foot ring,you should not use ropes from a 12 foot ring.

The problem is there are no ropes for a 16 foot ring,because there are no 16 foot rings for Championship fights.Championship rings are always 20-24 feet.Especially in HEAVYWEIGHT championship fights.

So why didn't they use non championship ring ropes ?
Whose responsibility was it ?

Foreman got a big gift in getting a small 16 foot ring.Foreman's trainer and manager tried to cheat getting a small ring,but Foreman got KO'd anyway.That's what you get for trying to cheat.Lol

Foreman and his manager and trainer did not try to cheat.
If Ali or anyone influential enough from his team thought it was unfair , thay could have rejected the fight .

This thread is about Joe Frazier saying that the judges got paid off in his 2nd fight with Muhammad Ali.It seems only Frazier thought he won that fight.The judges and referee scored the fight 8-4,7-4-1,6-5-1....All for Muhammad Ali.And 99% of boxing fans and boxing writers thought Muhammad Ali won!

About this I can write this : when I am in the mood to see full 12 rounds , Ali is not my first choice nor my tenth .
True , Holmes is even worse , but Ali is nowhere in my top priority , someday I may watch more of his more famous fights , but until then I hope to get to see better fights instead.

[frankenfrank]

I'm sure even in Zaire they like a little proof

The proof is on youtube

Again an ill informed guess based on hindsight.

Based on watching the fight.

Considering how well Ali fought off the ropes, if he would have used the rope a dope on tighter ropes it would have helped him.

No , it would have disturbed him and got him stopped.

Watch the fight.

Did I do , at least 3 times .

Foreman landed enough punches on Ali to KO him if he could.

If the ropes were tighter and would not have allowed him to evade some of the punches and to absorb the ones he did not evade.

If Foreman wanted to wear Ali down he needed to work the body more, Ali leaning back offered his body more but Foreman head hunted. Watch the fight.

Foreman did hit the body , but the ropes absorbed a crucial part of the punches' energy.
Watched the fight at least 3 times.

No but I can make an educated guess on what didn't suit King and it is a guess which you can't chip away at because it is logical.


No I meant less as in pointless as is your entire argument.

[boxing boy]

So why didn't they use non championship ring ropes ?
Whose responsibility was it ?

Foreman and his manager and trainer did not try to cheat.
If Ali or anyone influential enough from his team thought it was unfair , thay could have rejected the fight .

About this I can write this : when I am in the mood to see full 12 rounds , Ali is not my first choice nor my tenth .
True , Holmes is even worse , but Ali is nowhere in my top priority , someday I may watch more of his more famous fights , but until then I hope to get to see better fights instead.

Yes Foreman and his trainers(Sadler&Archie Moore)and manager did try to cheat.WAIT,they did cheat!! They got a small 16 foot ring for Foreman.Well,you know what they say about cheaters,Lol They got what they deserved for cheating,Lol....You don't reject a fight the day of the fight!! Ali and Dundee didn't find out it was a 16 foot ring until THE DAY OF THE FIGHT!!! Ali had been waiting 7 years to regain the Heavyweight Championship of the World!! When Dundee found out the day of the fight,he told Ali about it and Ali said "Well,then we have to go with what we got".He wasn't going to reject the fight with 50,000 people with there tickets,and millions of people around the world with pay per view tickets!! Ali thought he could beat Foreman in a 16 foot ring,and he did!! But that doesn't change the fact that Foreman and his trainers and manager CHEATED getting a 16 foot ring.Those CHEATERS got what they deserved when Ali KO'd George Foreman,and regained the HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP OF THE WORLD!!!

Yes,you should watch the 2nd Ali-Frazier fight.Frazier said he won all 12 rounds!!! Now he says the judges were paid off.He sounds something like you,Lol

[Southpaw Stinger]

History is full of ****s who feel they were hard done by. The vast majority just ain't humble enough to admit they were bettered.

[boxing boy]

The proof is on youtube

Based on watching the fight.

No , it would have disturbed him and got him stopped.

Did I do , at least 3 times .

If the ropes were tighter and would not have allowed him to evade some of the punches and to absorb the ones he did not evade.

Foreman did hit the body , but the ropes absorbed a crucial part of the punches' energy.
Watched the fight at least 3 times.

I suggest you watch the fight again.Muhammad Ali FOUGHT OFF THE ROPES!! And he beat Foreman to the punch again and again.Ali only "layed on the ropes" in the 5th round.The rest of the fight he FOUGHT OFF THE ROPES!!!

Muhammad Ali not only fought off the ropes,but he was blocking most of Foreman's punches.Watch the fight again....Foreman was not throwing many body punches.Muhammad Ali was talking to him the entire fight,and making Foreman mad and thus trying to shut Ali's mouth and throwing most of his punches to Ali's head,which Ali easily blocked.Have you even seen this fight? I don't think so.Muhammad Ali FOUGHT OFF THE ROPES,and landed many good hard right hands!! Then while fighting off the ropes he spun Foreman around and had Foreman on the ropes!! Then started punching Foreman,and 5 punches later he KNOCKED OUT George Foreman!! Ali didn't "lay on the ropes" he fought off the ropes!! That shoots down your delusional theory about Ali "laying on the ropes" and not getting full impact from Foreman's punches.Just keep looking for more excuses,Lol

[frankenfrank]

Yes Foreman and his trainers(Sadler&Archie Moore)and manager did try to cheat.WAIT,they did cheat!! They got a small 16 foot ring for Foreman.Well,you know what they say about cheaters,Lol They got what they deserved for cheating,Lol....You don't reject a fight the day of the fight!! Ali and Dundee didn't find out it was a 16 foot ring until THE DAY OF THE FIGHT!!! Ali had been waiting 7 years to regain the Heavyweight Championship of the World!! When Dundee found out the day of the fight,he told Ali about it and Ali said "Well,then we have to go with what we got".He wasn't going to reject the fight with 50,000 people with there tickets,and millions of people around the world with pay per view tickets!! Ali thought he could beat Foreman in a 16 foot ring,and he did!! But that doesn't change the fact that Foreman and his trainers and manager CHEATED getting a 16 foot ring.Those CHEATERS got what they deserved when Ali KO'd George Foreman,and regained the HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP OF THE WORLD!!!

Yes,you should watch the 2nd Ali-Frazier fight.Frazier said he won all 12 rounds!!! Now he says the judges were paid off.He sounds something like you,Lol

Requesting a 16 ft ring is not cheating .
Who said Ali and Dundee learned about the ring's size only 24 hours before the fight ? Dundee ? at On The Ropes ? great ! I believe whatever Dundee says !

Fact is the ropes saved Ali , fact is Ali never beat Foreman under legitimate conditions , fact is Ali never rematched Foreman .

[boxing boy]

Requesting a 16 ft ring is not cheating .
Who said Ali and Dundee learned about the ring's size only 24 hours before the fight ? Dundee ? at On The Ropes ? great ! I believe whatever Dundee says !

Fact is the ropes saved Ali , fact is Ali never beat Foreman under legitimate conditions , fact is Ali never rematched Foreman .

Requesting? Who said they requested a 16 foot ring? They brought in a 16 foot ring from a local boxing club!! They CHEATED!!

If Ali(Or Dundee) would have learned about the 16 foot ring "before" the day of the fight they would have protested about it!! In fact,the prelim fighters complained about the size of the ring!!

Fact is the small ring didn't save Foreman.Stop crying about it,your man got beat and KNOCKED OUT!!! Foreman was a 5-1 favorite,and most predicted he would KO Ali within' 3 rounds.Even after CHEATING Foreman got KO'd,Lol

[StarshipTrooper]

Just when I think Frankenfrank can't get any more ******ed he proves me wrong.....Wait! It's really just a conspiracy among us non-******ed people plotting to keep window-lickers like him down :hahahaha9:

Poet