Rate these guys in terms of boxing ability

[Toney616]

toney
hopkins
hagler
mccallum

I would say that defensively Toney is better than Hopkins. I'm not sure how to grade them in terms of offence, but I would class Hopkins's footwork as better than Toney's.

McCallum was great defensively as good as anyone on that list second maybe to Toney, better footwork than Toney. Maybe better offensively as well, he seemed to make the transition from counter puncher to lead puncher much better than Toney did.

Hagler was solid offensively, maybe the best on that list, solid footwork, maybe the best on the list and as good as Hopkins defensively

Toney fought flatfooted, so in terms on footwork I would rate him last, the best defensively, not to sure how to grade him in terms of offence. he tended to struggle if there were no opportunities for him to land the counter right

Maybe:
Hagler
McCallum
Toney
Hopkins?

[JAB5239]

Toney
McCallum
Hopkins
Hagler

[Toney616]

Toney
McCallum
Hopkins
Hagler

Why do you rate Toney above Hagler?

[JAB5239]

Why do you rate Toney above Hagler?

In terms of boxing ability I think Toney was more complete. As far as who was greater its not even close.....Hagler all day.

[Toney616]

In terms of boxing ability I think Toney was more complete. As far as who was greater its not even close.....Hagler all day.

In terms of ability:
Defense:Toney
Offense:Hagler
Footwork:Hagler

Thats how I see it

[IMDAZED]

Hagler
Hopkins
Toney
McCallum


Judging criteria:
1: defence
2: offence
3: footwork

Oy vey. Gimme a sec.

[r.burgundy]

I would say that defensively Toney is better than Hopkins. I'm not sure how to grade them in terms of offence, but I would class Hopkins's footwork as better than Toney's.

McCallum was great defensively as good as anyone on that list second maybe to Toney, better footwork than Toney. Maybe better offensively as well, he seemed to make the transition from counter puncher to lead puncher much better than Toney did.

Hagler was solid offensively, maybe the best on that list, solid footwork, maybe the best on the list and as good as Hopkins defensively

Toney fought flatfooted, so in terms on footwork I would rate him last, the best defensively, not to sure how to grade him in terms of offence. he tended to struggle if there were no opportunities for him to land the counter right

Maybe:
Hagler
McCallum
Toney
Hopkins?

toney isnt the most mobile out the group but he was still able to use his style effectively against much bigger and younger guys late in his career.if you compare these fighters in the last stages,their is a big change in thier performance,paticulary with hopkins

offensivley,mccallum was probly the most gifted,but really is behind hops and toney when it comes to defence.toney would let you fight your fight and still kick ass,while hops negated everything you did and fought a textbook style.mccallum and hagler were both prone to fighting the other guys fight.hagler was a good combo of both but he didnt push himself like others did.he retired to young

[Toney616]

Oy vey. Gimme a sec.

Im having a hard time rating them as well

[JAB5239]

In terms of ability:
Defense:Toney
Offense:Hagler
Footwork:Hagler

Thats how I see it

I wouldn't argue with this, though I think they're pretty close in the footwork dept. Fighting flat footed doesn't mean you have bad footwork, only more subtle.

My biggest thing is the way Toney transitioned his offense and defense so smoothly. He was always in the right position.

[cameronpaul]

i never thought hagler really had "good" footwork, i mean he got the job done, but you wouldnt teach someone the footwork of hagler if you were training them. just before he knocks out hearns his pretty much jogging accross the ring...buts thats why we all love him.