greater legacy... dela hoya or calzaghe?

[talip bin osman]

You do realize its a lot easier for people at lighter weights to move divisions up and down and that p4p rankings tend to favor those 154 and below. Joe weighed 168 most of his career. Unfair to use p4p. If you define greatness using the p4p rankings then clearly Floyd is the best, he's beaten a ton of guys on the p4p list.

p4p lists are joke. Wlad is the most dominant champ in boxing and hes left off most lists...theyre a popularity contenst. I watch boxing, not was a buncha tards say. p4p who wins head to head Floyd or Vitali? If you have an answer youre an idiot. you shrink Vitali down to floyds size with vitali's power and reach? he kills floyd, you move floyd up to vitali's size with his speed and quickness and skill, he kills vitali. p4p is ******ed.

but.... but... u made ur own ATG P4P list a few days ago?

[blaze778]

I was happy to hear Calzaghe retiring because I thought people would finally stop talking about him. I was wrong.

[StarshipTrooper]

p4p is ******ed.

So are fan-bois like you :yadayadayada9:

Poet

[bojangles1987]

Oscar had better skills, fought far better fighters far more often, and was the most important man in the sport for a very long time. Oscar's legacy far surpasses Calzaghe's.

[bojangles1987]

Well I'm gonna be one hated mo'fo but........

As far as I'm concerned De La Hoya is probably one of the most overrated fighters I've ever seen.
Now that DOESN'T mean I'm saying he was rubbish, but most people go on as if he's the GOAT. He's a decent fighter, but not even close to being the best of his generation let alone anything else.

I swear to god in 10 years or so if anyone is still talking about De La Hoya for any other reason than the Olympic Gold and Golden Boy Promotions. Then I'll go nuts.

Although saying that De La Hoya will have the greater legacy thanks to the Gold & the Promoting.

WHEN De La Hoya is still talked about in ten years, it will be because he was as good an example of what the face of boxing should be as there can be. Not only did he keep boxing relevant after Tyson's decline, he didn't let money and PPV and all that keep him from ALWAYS fighting the best.

[CarlosG815]

Oscar had better skills, fought far better fighters far more often, and was the most important man in the sport for a very long time. Oscar's legacy far surpasses Calzaghe's.

Absolutely. Couldn't have said it any better.

[HaglerSteelChin]

I have pretty much every fight these guys fought in and i am a fan of both. If you go by skill and talent it is close, but if you go by achievements-DLH wins hands down. Forget about the Gold medal DLH wins over guys like
Ruelas,Paez, Chavez(twice), Quartay,Whitaker, Vargas, and i felt he beat Mosley in the second fight.

He was clearly outboxing Tito until he ran out of gas; and it thought he did enough for atleast a draw.

He also had decent wins over guys Miguel Angel Gonzalez and Macho Camacho(pass his prime not shot).

DLH won in 6 weight classes- Calzaghe in 2. DLH FIRST fighter in history to win a 4th title while being undefeated- only Fenech who got robbed in the Nelson fight did that.

DLH could have stayed between 130-140 and stayed undefeated for a long time. It was because he challenged himself and moved up that he got losses.

Calzaghe had very close decisions in the Bakio and Robin Reid fights. He had great speed and a chin, but he came in an era where Steve Collins retired, Nigel Benn pass it, and he beat a pass prime Chris Eubank. He didn't fight Jones or Bhop when they were in prime. Took a long time before uniting his titles.

Don't get me wrong, i still think Joe is an all time great, he had the ingredients to give pretty much any fighter a game fight, but i rate DLH higher.

[HaglerSteelChin]

WHEN De La Hoya is still talked about in ten years, it will be because he was as good an example of what the face of boxing should be as there can be. Not only did he keep boxing relevant after Tyson's decline, he didn't let money and PPV and all that keep him from ALWAYS fighting the best.

One thing i respect is a fighter win, lose , or draw fights everyone. Oscar took challenges many wouldn't take. He got a gift win against Sturm, but didnt go back down in weight and instead took on BHOP. Also he didn't on his bike and tried to use flurries and hand speed to get a gift decision, he fought and tried to win.

Win-lose- or draw look at many hall of famers he fought: Genaro Hernandez(possible HOF), Camacho, Chavez,Whitaker, Mosley, Trinidad, Hopkins,Mayweather, Pacquiao.

[TheMagicMan]

I have pretty much every fight these guys fought in and i am a fan of both. If you go by skill and talent it is close, but if you go by achievements-DLH wins hands down. Forget about the Gold medal DLH wins over guys like
Ruelas,Paez, Chavez(twice), Quartay,Whitaker, Vargas, and i felt he beat Mosley in the second fight.

He was clearly outboxing Tito until he ran out of gas; and it thought he did enough for atleast a draw.

He also had decent wins over guys Miguel Angel Gonzalez and Macho Camacho(pass his prime not shot).

DLH won in 6 weight classes- Calzaghe in 2. DLH FIRST fighter in history to win a 4th title while being undefeated- only Fenech who got robbed in the Nelson fight did that.

DLH could have stayed between 130-140 and stayed undefeated for a long time. It was because he challenged himself and moved up that he got losses.

Calzaghe had very close decisions in the Bakio and Robin Reid fights. He had great speed and a chin, but he came in an era where Steve Collins retired, Nigel Benn pass it, and he beat a pass prime Chris Eubank. He didn't fight Jones or Bhop when they were in prime. Took a long time before uniting his titles.

Don't get me wrong, i still think Joe is an all time great, he had the ingredients to give pretty much any fighter a game fight, but i rate DLH higher.

First of all how can you punish Joe for the Reid fight where 2 judges had him winning 116-111....thats not close. The one who had Reid winning, is also the fraud who had Dimitrenko tied with Eddie Chambers. Again, thats not close, thats called an idiot judge. Again i challenge anyone to find 5 rounds Reid won in that fight, tehre are 4 that I could give to Reid being generous, and unless you were giving him 10-8's, theres no way he could have won.

And how could anyone think the Sakio Bika fight was close. If you think 117-110 is a "very close decision" then you must agree with me and think Ali was overrated trash. The only reason why Bika was even in the fight at all was because he was headbutting joe and cut his eye with a headbutt. that was it.

Joe is much better: beat
ATG- Jones
ATG-Hopkins
ATG- Eubank
Tons of top 10 opponents

And never lost a fight. GOAT.

[StarshipTrooper]

Joe beat:
A washed up Roy Jones
A clearly past it Bernard Hopkins
A washed up Chris Eubank

Tons of top 10 opponents in what was at the time the weakest division in boxing not to mention not fighting outside of the UK which is boxing's bush league.

And never fought a live opponent. Another Euro-fraud.

Fixed it for you

Poet