Who was the best white heavy weight?

[StarshipTrooper]

Vitali is incredibly overrated here.

Wlad is by far better.

If anything Vitali's little sister Wlad is the one who gets overrated. People are confusing Wlad's polish with substance. Vitali is tougher, has a FAR better chin, has FAR better stamina, and a FAR higher work rate. Translation: He's a FAR better fighter. Put Wlad in against Vitali and Vitali wins 10 out of 10 times.

Poet

[1SILVA]

Not including the klitchko brothers because they are both still fighting

Duane Bobick
Scott Ledoux
Kallie Knoetzee
Gerry Cooney
Ron Stander
Jean Pierre coopman
Rudi Lubbers
Tony Galento
Randy Cobb
Brian London

[Tiozzo]

Chuvalo and Morrison have no business on the list. They couldn't hold the jockstrap of Primo Carnera even.

If I'm rating White Heavyweights in order it'd go like this:

1. Dempsey
2. Marciano
3. Jeffries
4. J. Sharkey
5. Schmeling
6. Tunney
7. Fitzsimmons
8. Corbett
9. Baer
10. Sullivan
11. Burns
12. Carnera
13. Johansson
14. Fulton
15. T. Sharkey
16. Farr
17. Choynski

Klitschkos are going to break the top 10 tho.

solid list

[BennyST]

He's Italian the mob was heavily active in boxing at the time, 2+2 = 5.
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[cameronpaul]

what was jeffries record, i saw on wikipedia that he only faught 20 odd times. i know this probably aint true. wondered if anyone knew much about him.

[them_apples]

It's Rocky

[AddiX]

When Wlads career is over, he will have the same problem Rocky does. He won't have the big names to help his legacy.

As much as everyone loves Rocky, truth is his biggest named wins were against guys who were beyond washed up.

Without the names you can only be so good.

[Jim Jeffries]

what was jeffries record, i saw on wikipedia that he only faught 20 odd times. i know this probably aint true. wondered if anyone knew much about him.

22 fights isn't too bad when 9 of them are against HOFers and you're able to come away with 7-1-1 in those, the sole loss coming after 6 years without a fight against a prime top 5 ATG HW.

Depends how you determine greatness. Dempsey attracted a lot of people to the sport because of his exciting, ferocious style. Likewise with Marciano, who also has the added "only HW champ to retire undefeated" thing going for him. But Jeffries is definitely underrated these days.

[Joeyzagz]

When Wlads career is over, he will have the same problem Rocky does. He won't have the big names to help his legacy.

As much as everyone loves Rocky, truth is his biggest named wins were against guys who were beyond washed up.

Without the names you can only be so good.

Rocky has big names: Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, Joe Louis, and Joe Walcott are all either top 20 HW or top 50 p4p ATG.

Beating a 39 year old JOE LOUIS is way more impressive than beating a 41 year old Ray Mercer, or 36 year old Ray Austin. Rock should be in everybodies Top 5.

[Jim Jeffries]

Rocky has big names: Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, Joe Louis, and Joe Walcott are all either top 20 HW or top 50 p4p ATG.

Beating a 39 year old JOE LOUIS is way more impressive than beating a 41 year old Ray Mercer, or 36 year old Ray Austin. Rock should be in everybodies Top 5.

Joe Louis was only 37, but was considered quite a bit past it 4 years after needing a gift to get by Walcott. Charles, Moore and Walcott are all considered better wins, even though the latter two were even older at the time.

As for Wlad, Mercer is only worth mentioning because Wlad was the first to stop him, it's not one of his top two wins, and I'm not sure why you'd even bring up Ray Austin, who was a mandatory that Wlad took out of there in less than two rounds without throwing a single right hand. Yes it is doubtful that Wlad has the competition out there to surpass Marciano, who has become a sentimental favorite, unless he fights quite a bit longer.