Higher ATG: Rocky Marciano or George Foreman?

[McGoorty]

In 1987, George's stated reason for coming back was money for his youth center but I think deep down inside he was also concerned about his legacy and wanted a chance to improve upon it. Clearly he succeeded. Without that comeback, George is forever thought of (and underrated) as a clubbing brawler with limited stamina albeit w/ incredible power. With the comeback, he is thought of by many now as a Top 5 ATG heavyweight. And to think people thought the whole thing was just a big joke and that George was gonna get himself hurt...

You know I like George mate, but this whole thread has been one long kicking of a great man and some posters are simply mad,,.... a lot of people are grinding their axe on a great man,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I'll be damned if I'll sit by silent,... when my poster mate Marchegiano finds this thread and start reading some of these posts, he'll flip, Marciano is his favourite fighter,................ And I think Rocky is a greater fighter p4p,.... he is great because of his natural disadvantages in size never stopped him, anyway if you read through the thread I think you'll agree that this thread is a hatchet job.

[fitefanSHO]

You know I like George mate, but this whole thread has been one long kicking of a great man and some posters are simply mad,,.... a lot of people are grinding their axe on a great man,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I'll be damned if I'll sit by silent,... when my poster mate Marchegiano finds this thread and start reading some of these posts, he'll flip, Marciano is his favourite fighter,................ And I think Rocky is a greater fighter p4p,.... he is great because of his natural disadvantages in size never stopped him, anyway if you read through the thread I think you'll agree that this thread is a hatchet job.

Dude, I'm from Brockton.

[McGoorty]

Dude, I'm from Brockton.

Nothing directed at you mate, it was directed at some of the trolls, I had just been on one of my threads and had some Ultra-troll on there from NSB, and had been telling the troll where to go, if I knew how to do an ignore list I'd ban him from my threads. I did know you were from Brockton, but I know you, and I know you're a fair poster. I just wish there wasn't as many trolls, you know what they think of all Pre-ALI fighters and the lopsided vote is simply because they want to discredit all the greats.

[Forza]

Foremans level of competition was way higher though his career and he did become champ again when he was an old man, So I'd say he achieved more.......

If they were to fight Marciano would get destroyed............

Higher, but in context not "way" higher.

[Greatest1942]

Not sure who I'd choose, but I will say something that's rarely said about Foreman...

His performance in the Ali fight was one of the worst I've ever seen. He literally looked like a guy who had just started boxing. So, for all those who cite his blowouts of Norton and Frazier as proof of his awesomeness, the Ali fight showed his lameness.

Top 10 Foreman beat

1. Joe Frazier
2. Ken Norton
3. Michael Moorer
4. Ron Lyle
5. George Chuvalo
6. Alex Stewart
7. Gregorio Peralta
8. Adilson Rodrigues
9. Dwight Qawi
10. Boone Kirkman


top 10 Rocky beat
1. Joe Walcott
2. Ezzard Charles
3. Archie Moore
4. Joe Louis
5. Rex Layne
6. Roland LaStraza
7. Harry Kid Mattews
8. Don ****le
9.Lee Savold
10. Bernie Reynolds

Foreman has the bigger name in Frazier no doubt. I consider Walcoot and Norton a wash. Charles was a better heavy by some margin than Moorer. I will pick Moore over Peralta anyday. Louis was not great at that stage but still a good boxer, was he equal to Lyle...I don't know, but I will give edge to Lyle.

Layne was atleast at the time he fought Rocky as good as Chuvalo he beat better names and was a very good puncher.
LaStraza is undertaed and much better than Stewart or Qawi. As was Savold better than Kirkman and the like.

This whole Marciano did not face any competition is overblown, he fought more top 2 ranked contenders (total record 9-0 (8 KO)
than Foreman (total record 4-3 (4 KO)), beat them all and has the better top 10 wins. Foreman has the single biggest win as also the worst performance of the two.

I think we should go by what they achieved in their eras...In that I think it depends on the way you look at it...It isn't "Foreman and by a very large margin"

[Mintcar923]

Whether you're a Marciano hater or just a Foreman lover know that Rocky was the only Heavyweight Champ to retire undefeated at 49 wins and to never lose a single fight. The only thing a fighter should be asked to be a candidate for the GOAT is to decisively defeat the best of his era and Rocky Marciano did just that. There is no bias here. Although, he did win the title on my birthday he is not my favorite ATG. But yes, I like George, too...

[Barn]

When making a list would you take into account Rocky's weight deficite?

[Greatest1942]

When making a list would you take into account Rocky's weight deficite?

I don't...His achievments are enough to merit a place in top10.

[McGoorty]

Top 10 Foreman beat

1. Joe Frazier
2. Ken Norton
3. Michael Moorer
4. Ron Lyle
5. George Chuvalo
6. Alex Stewart
7. Gregorio Peralta
8. Adilson Rodrigues
9. Dwight Qawi
10. Boone Kirkman


top 10 Rocky beat
1. Joe Walcott
2. Ezzard Charles
3. Archie Moore
4. Joe Louis
5. Rex Layne
6. Roland LaStraza
7. Harry Kid Mattews
8. Don ****le
9.Lee Savold
10. Bernie Reynolds

Foreman has the bigger name in Frazier no doubt. I consider Walcoot and Norton a wash. Charles was a better heavy by some margin than Moorer. I will pick Moore over Peralta anyday. Louis was not great at that stage but still a good boxer, was he equal to Lyle...I don't know, but I will give edge to Lyle.

Layne was atleast at the time he fought Rocky as good as Chuvalo he beat better names and was a very good puncher.
LaStraza is undertaed and much better than Stewart or Qawi. As was Savold better than Kirkman and the like.

This whole Marciano did not face any competition is overblown, he fought more top 2 ranked contenders (total record 9-0 (8 KO)
than Foreman (total record 4-3 (4 KO)), beat them all and has the better top 10 wins. Foreman has the single biggest win as also the worst performance of the two.

I think we should go by what they achieved in their eras...In that I think it depends on the way you look at it...It isn't "Foreman and by a very large margin"

That was a GREAAAAAAAATTT, GREAT post, thanks for that list mate there have been these Bald and unjust things said about Rocky. That list shows just how outrageous those claims are..... I think you just blew away the opposition...... a green pt. coming your way. As for Moorer, a blown up LHW would still get Killed by Foreman,... and George is old now. Moorer is no where near as good as Charles at either HW or LHW. and Layne, La Starza and Harry Matthews would all be deadly today.