Gene Tunney vs Joe Frazier...........

[prinzemanspopa]

Or did you base your judgement purely on articles?

No doubt his own articles.


Dunce:Master of copying and pasting other articles and passing them off as his own.

Also to touch on the point of Frazier's suspect chin. Without a doubt his chin is suspect. How many devastating punchers did he fight in the Golden Era of the Heavyweight division which consisted of some of the biggest punchers in history and how did he fair against them?

Nah,you're just hating,man.Foreman was obviously just a bad matchup for Joe.


Yeah,that's right,just a bad matchup in style.That must explain it all.


Just because he was knocked down six times in just two rounds doesn't mean that his chin wasn't the GOAT.


All iron jawed fighters get knocked down around a dozen times in their career.

[BennyST]

Suspect chin? lol, people who say that crack me up.

Frazier would KO Tunney inside of 3 rounds, probably round 1.

I know! Where does this suspect chin rumour stem from? Frazier had a great chin.

[CarlosG815]

No doubt his own articles.


Dunce:Master of copying and pasting other articles and passing them off as his own.








Nah,you're just hating,man.Foreman was obviously just a bad matchup for Joe.


Yeah,that's right,just a bad matchup in style.That must explain it all.


Just because he was knocked down six times in just two rounds doesn't mean that his chin wasn't the GOAT.


All iron jawed fighters get knocked down around a dozen times in their career.

He took multiple licks from the hardest hitting heavyweight of all time and got up after every single one. He also took massive amounts of punishment from Muhammad Ali and never went down, that isn't a suspect chin, that's a granite chin.

A soft chin is a guy who gets hit with one good shot, goes down, and stays down, and does that throughout his career, like Lennox Lewis.

[boxing boy]

Incorrect. He had a brilliant stiff jab and terrific lateral movement. A prime Tunney had better footwork and lateral movement than anyone Smoking Joe ever fought, including the 71' version Ali.

I agree Tunney had a brilliant stiff jab and terrific lateral movement.

But that great jab of Tunney could not keep Frazier off of him.Frazier would walk right through it.Frazier was also very good at slipping good left jabs.Just ask Muhammad Ali,who said Frazier was very hard to hit with his left jab.And he just walked through the other left jabs that Muhammad Ali did land.

Yes,Tunney had great lateral movement,and that's why i said Tunney would win the early rounds.But the relentless pressure that Smokin' Joe puts on you,and the incredible pace that he fought at would eventually slow you down.Frazier would be able to get Tunney on the ropes by the middle rounds,and landing his deadly left hook to the body would slow Tunney down.And the incredible pace would slow Tunney down by the late middle rounds.It would then be feast time for Smokin' Joe Frazier,stopping Tunney in rounds 10-13.

[Stone Roses!]

I agree Tunney had a brilliant stiff jab and terrific lateral movement.

But that great jab of Tunney could not keep Frazier off of him.Frazier would walk right through it.Frazier was also very good at slipping good left jabs.Just ask Muhammad Ali,who said Frazier was very hard to hit with his left jab.And he just walked through the other left jabs that Muhammad Ali did land.

Yes,Tunney had great lateral movement,and that's why i said Tunney would win the early rounds.But the relentless pressure that Smokin' Joe puts on you,and the incredible pace that he fought at would eventually slow you down.Frazier would be able to get Tunney on the ropes by the middle rounds,and landing his deadly left hook to the body would slow Tunney down.And the incredible pace would slow Tunney down by the late middle rounds.It would then be feast time for Smokin' Joe Frazier,stopping Tunney in rounds 10-13.

Alright my man. If that is how you envisage the fight to be, fairplay to ya.

[Stone Roses!]

He took multiple licks from the hardest hitting heavyweight of all time and got up after every single one. He also took massive amounts of punishment from Muhammad Ali and never went down, that isn't a suspect chin, that's a granite chin.

A soft chin is a guy who gets hit with one good shot, goes down, and stays down, and does that throughout his career, like Lennox Lewis.

WOW!!! Now Hold on just a minute. Did you just claim Frazier had a 'granite' chin? Apparently being dropped half a dozen times in a couple rounds qualifies you as having a 'granite' chin. Talk about using the term 'freely'. If Frazier's chin is made of 'granite', I guess Chuvalo is made of 'diamond'?


LMFAO!!!!

Why did you fail to answer my question, good sir?

Also to touch on the point of Frazier's suspect chin. Without a doubt his chin is suspect. How many devastating punchers did he fight in the Golden Era of the Heavyweight division which consisted of some of the biggest punchers in history and how did he fair against them?

I want your 'expert' analysis. ^^^^^^

What are the chances of Frazier making it past 2 rounds against the likes of, I don't know, umm, Ron Lyle or Ernie Shavers, just to name a couple?

[JAB5239]

What are the chances of Frazier making it past 2 rounds against the likes of, I don't know, umm, Ron Lyle or Ernie Shavers, just to name a couple?

I wouldn't call Frazier's chin granite, but it was solid. As far as Lyle and Shavers go, both were beaten by much lesser fighters than Joe Frazier and both had guys with much worse whiskers than Joe's last the distance. Shavers would need to be extremely lucky and land a huge shot early or Frazier would decimate him. His chin was suspect and he had lousy stamina. Lyle's power is simply over rated in my opinion. As I've already stated, much lesser fighters than Joe went the distance with him. Much lesser fighters beat him, and he never ko'd any top heavyweight with Frazier's grit. That said, he was a decent fighter and a tough guy but at least a level below Frazier. His stamina was also suspect at times. His toughness would allow him to hang for 7 or 8 rounds but Fraziers relentless pressure and higher work rate would doom him by the 9th in my opinion.

[Stone Roses!]

I wouldn't call Frazier's chin granite, but it was solid. As far as Lyle and Shavers go, both were beaten by much lesser fighters than Joe Frazier and both had guys with much worse whiskers than Joe's last the distance. Shavers would need to be extremely lucky and land a huge shot early or Frazier would decimate him. His chin was suspect and he had lousy stamina. Lyle's power is simply over rated in my opinion. As I've already stated, much lesser fighters than Joe went the distance with him. Much lesser fighters beat him, and he never ko'd any top heavyweight with Frazier's grit. That said, he was a decent fighter and a tough guy but at least a level below Frazier. His stamina was also suspect at times. His toughness would allow him to hang for 7 or 8 rounds but Fraziers relentless pressure and higher work rate would doom him by the 9th in my opinion.

Shavers chin was indeed suspect and I, much like yourself, believe whoever lands the first big punch will be the victor.

I do not agree with your opinion that Lyle's power was overrated, I believe you made a thread about this before also. Lyle would drop Frazier multiple times and come away with the victory.

'Much lesser' Fighters than Joe went the distance with George Foreman. Frazier's pressure style is built for a dynamite puncher which Lyle certainly was, contrary to your opinion. Lyle was able to drop Foreman a few times, and Foreman certainly has a 'solid' chin, if anything.

Frazier doesn't see the 3rd round against Lyle, for his constant pressure to even take effect.

[titanium]

Frazier would cut down the ring and make Tunney do a "Bob Foster"! Something that the aged Dempsey at that stage of his career wasn't able to do.

[JAB5239]

Shavers chin was indeed suspect and I, much like yourself, believe whoever lands the first big punch will be the victor.

I do not agree with your opinion that Lyle's power was overrated, I believe you made a thread about this before also. Lyle would drop Frazier multiple times and come away with the victory.

'Much lesser' Fighters than Joe went the distance with George Foreman. Frazier's pressure style is built for a dynamite puncher which Lyle certainly was, contrary to your opinion. Lyle was able to drop Foreman a few times, and Foreman certainly has a 'solid' chin, if anything.

Frazier doesn't see the 3rd round against Lyle, for his constant pressure to even take effect.

Look at it this way, who did Lyle ever beat that was as good as Joe? We know Frazier beat better fighters than Lyle, right? People want to use the Foreman fight as an example of how a Lyle-Frazier fight might go. Problem is Lyle didn't fight anything like Foreman. George threw looping upper cuts and hooks when Frazier was bobbing down and chopping punches when he was coming up. Lyle fights in more a classical style using his jab and throwing straight punches and hooks. This would allow Frazier to get underneath and punish him much the way he did Ali in their first fight. I think we can both agree Lyle was NEVER as fast, tough or as good a fighter as Ali that night (even with his layoff). Lyle also had the bad habit of backing straight up with his chin unprotected which can be seen in many of his fights. That is suicide against a fighter who throws possibly the greatest heavyweight hook ever.

As far as Lyles power.....I think its good, but over rated for the reasons I already touched on. Ok, he dropped Foreman. He couldn't keep him there though and a lighter punching Ali put him down for the count. What does that say?