Styles like Tyson and Frazier

[Sam Donald]

Why do people say those type of styles have short careers?

Is it because of how much effort it takes or strain on back?

[CarlosG815]

Why do people say those type of styles have short careers?

Is it because of how much effort it takes or strain on back?

They take a lot of hits when you fight like that.

Tyson didn't take near as much punishment as Frazier did though. Tyson was better at slipping punches, he was better at moving around and he also threw more punches so he was able to end fights quicker and not take any punishment.

For the first half of his career, Tyson took virtually no punishment.

That's why Joe is punchdrunk but IMO Tyson will not be as brain dead as Frazier. If he is, it's from drugs not boxing.

Remember, when Joe was training Marvis for Tyson Joe was already talking slurred and punch drunk. Tyson turned 44 2 weeks ago and shows no signs of a slowed up brain.

[DarkTerror88]

It requires alot of strains on ones body. Especially Smokin Joe because he went the distance more often from building up pressure and went right in to Big George Foreman's punches. Tyson was the fastest starting heavyweight and liked to end fights early. Joe liked to wait til the middle rounds when he would start to smoke and build up pressure.

[Toney616]

Why do people say those type of styles have short careers?

Is it because of how much effort it takes or strain on back?

I think alot of it also has to do with the intensity of the training and the mindet that you have to have. Non stop aggression. Its hard to keep that kind of mindset/focus thoughout your career

This dereliction of technique is not easy to explain. Steward suggests that it is actually the result of the aging process, a natural regression. At 24? "I never saw him being successful past 26," says Steward. "His style was strictly youth and instinct, based on driving through people. It never allowed for a long career. All youth and aggression, fighting with your head up front. The second you slow down, for whatever reason, you lose it. Because your face, which is 10 inches closer, isn't getting out of the way like when you were young and fast. You just can't get away with it anymore."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1139899/2/index.htm

[prinzemanspopa]

It's usually the frazier apologists who would have you believe that their hero was shot to bits and virtual cripple by the time he reached his twenty eighth birthday.


It sounds better to say that he was never beaten in his prime rather than just stating the obvious in that he sports an outstanding 1-4 record against the very best he ever fought.




Durham did an excellent job in preserving that fragile,delicate chin of ole 'Smokey' for as long as he did.




Tyson went to prison at twenty five years old and spent over four years out of the ring.


Not really difficult to understand why he was never the same.

[Toney616]

It sounds better to say that he was never beaten in his prime rather than just stating the obvious in that he sports an outstanding 1-4 record against the very best he ever fought.

Alot of fighters would be lucky to go 1-4 against Ali*3 and Foreman*2

[JAB5239]

Alot of fighters would be lucky to go 1-4 against Ali*3 and Foreman*2

He doesn't understand that. In fact, how many fighters COULD have gotten a single win in 5 fights between those two? My guess is not to many. But ****** will skirt that question, no doubt.

[frankenfrank]

He doesn't understand that. In fact, how many fighters COULD have gotten a single win in 5 fights between those two? My guess is not to many. But ****** will skirt that question, no doubt.

How many ? if Frazier , Young , Norton and actually Doug Jones too achieved it , you should know there would be more : Holmes could also do it if given enough opportunities (and we are speaking of 3 against Ali and 2 against Foreman here) , the Klitschkos could also no doubt , same for Lewis , Holyfield , Byrd , McCall and even Ross Puritty (could stop Foreman late) and even Michael Spinks (nice chances against Ali). Tucker also stood a chance at stopping Foreman late in one out of two fights against him. And I believe there are more.

[JAB5239]

How many ? if Frazier , Young , Norton and actually Doug Jones too achieved it , you should know there would be more : Holmes could also do it if given enough opportunities (and we are speaking of 3 against Ali and 2 against Foreman here) , the Klitschkos could also no doubt , same for Lewis , Holyfield , Byrd , McCall and even Ross Puritty (could stop Foreman late) and even Michael Spinks (nice chances against Ali). Tucker also stood a chance at stopping Foreman late in one out of two fights against him. And I believe there are more.

You will have to remind me who Doug Jones beat.

[frankenfrank]

You will have to remind me who Doug Jones beat.

Cassius Clay of course. I remember I watched it long ago on ESPN before I became interested in boxing , and thought it was a (what they (you) use to call) robbery .