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  • Anthony342
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    #11
    Originally posted by MmuhammadM
    I think will power was the main factor for both, but George foreman completely changed his fighting personality in the comeback.
    And, unlike Holmes, was able to regain the heavyweight title.

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    • titanium
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      #12
      thanks for the answers guys!

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      • frankenfrank
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        #13
        Originally posted by Southpaw Stinger
        Do you think Lennox could be as successful if he came back now?
        no. Why do you think he retired , he knew he would have lost a rematch to a younger Vitali Klitschko.

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          #14
          Originally posted by Clegg

          A prime George Foreman would've walked through the likes of Tommy Morrisson



          Isn't it often said that 'power is the last thing to leave a fighter'?

          If this is true,then why did foreman fail to seriously hurt Morrison?


          Morrison took alot of heavier punches in the fight with foreman.He boxed,but he also stayed in range long enough for foreman to get off some big,clean shots that most would have thought would have been too much for the suspect chinned Tommy Morrison.


          I'm not so sure he could have beaten Morrison at any point in his career,quite frankly.



          If you're hard enough,and you have enough power,then foreman doesn't seem to be as destructive as he is generally regarded to be.
          Last edited by prinzemanspopa; 06-28-2010, 09:48 AM.

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          • Sugarj
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            #15
            For what its worth I'd certainly rank peak Foreman above all Morrison's stoppage victors for power and destructiveness. That includes the 1996 Lennox Lewis, Ray Mercer and Michael Bentt.

            I'm sure prime Foreman would repeat the stoppage jobs the above guys pulled off.

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              #16
              Originally posted by Sugarj
              For what its worth I'd certainly rank peak Foreman above all Morrison's stoppage victors for power and destructiveness. That includes the 1996 Lennox Lewis, Ray Mercer and Michael Bentt.

              I'm sure prime Foreman would repeat the stoppage jobs the above guys pulled off.
              Morrison was past it when he met Lewis. And Foreman is not remotely the boxer Lewis is.

              Bentt fight was a 1 round fluke. If Morrison doesn't get caught ******, no way Bentt beats him.

              Mercer was out boxed the whole fight before he cornered Tommy and did him in. This I can see big George doing.

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              • Sugarj
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                #17
                Hi *****,

                Agreed, Lewis was a slicker boxer than Foreman. I only said 'for power and destructiveness'. Tommy wasn't the most elusive guy, I'd still pick a poor version of Lennox to beat him by stoppage most times. As for Tommy being post prime when he fought Lennox...........errr, he was only 26 and had only been beat twice in years previous, he was on a fair winning streak from memory. He may well have contracted HIV by then, but in the early stages this would have little or no bearing on his athletic ability.

                The Bentt example only demonstrates that Morrison's chin was far from amazing. A fast start from Foreman could repeat this on a given day, not that its what I would expect.

                But yes, nine times out of ten I'd expect a five or so rounds job in the mould of the Mercer fight.

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                  #18
                  Morrison's recent winning streak was not impressive. Ruddock was also past it. He had also struggled with Ross Purity the year before. But most importantly, he clearly didn't look like the man who boxed circles around Big George.

                  But even that Morrison doesn't out box Lewis. Morrison however does out box a prime George, for as long as it lasts. Man honestly wasn't that hard to out box.

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                    #19
                    If thats the way you see it, fair play. I guess Tommy's opposition wasn't exactly amazing post Bentt, but the Foreman fight was clearly his best win. 90s Foreman could be outboxed, hell even Schultz and Stewart had a fair stab at this too.

                    I also agree with you that the best Morrison doesn't outbox Lennox.

                    But honestly, despite prime Foreman's technical issues he started fights at a tremendous pace and was very hard to outscore in the early rounds. Even Ali didn't manage to really outbox/outscore George in those first five rounds, they were fairly close despite Ali's flurries (and lead rights) being eyecatching.

                    I honestly cant see a prime Morrison coming close to outboxing the Foreman who met Frazier (both times), Norton, Ali or even Young for that matter. I dont rate Morrison as being anywhere near Ali/Norton/Young's league in boxing terms, why would he do any better? The Foreman that faced Morrison was 20 years post prime, that fight has very little bearing on what would happen if they met at their respective primes.

                    Morrison might have a slight chance to win the odd round against the rusty fella who showed up for Ron Lyle...........but for me thats it.

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