Frazier, Tyson, Qawi: Rate these guys in terms of defense

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  • Toney616
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    #11
    Originally posted by Brickfists3
    I can't speak on Qawi, but I will put Tyson at number one and ahead of Frazier. Tyson in his prime was the best example of punch evasion right next to Pernell Whitaker, and not only that but he would counter punch with insane combinations right after it. Frazier's was good, but predictable. I think anyone who says Frazier's defense was better than Tyson's is wrong. 95% of Frazier's defense was moving his head up and down repeatedly. Highly predictable, yet hard to hit. Tyson's was slipping left and right, weaving left and right, and rolling to perfection.

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    Qawi was very adept at slipping and rolling with punches, I think it was Evanders lateral movement which really gave Qawi problems in thier rematch though.

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      #12
      Dwight was joe style but fixed his errors his whole defense was better and added delays which threw a person off and he got hit less

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        #13
        Originally posted by Toney616
        Thanks I havent watched that fight yet. Was he able to slip the jab and close the distance effectively in that fight?
        He styled on Spinks’ ass. Stuck his chin out at him at one point and Spinks still failed to hit Qawi that time.

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          #14
          I’d probably rate it the same way the first reply did. One thing I want to say specifically is that Joe Frazier’s combination of a cross guard with highly erratic head movement is one of the most unique defenses I’ve seen.

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            #15
            Originally posted by moneytheman
            Dwight was joe style but fixed his errors his whole defense was better and added delays which threw a person off and he got hit less
            You raise some good points.

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              #16
              Originally posted by markusmod

              You raise some good points.
              Changes like less head movement it made it harder to uppercut him

              Added delays to his head movement which threw the person off

              Came in and out with joe he would take mutiple punches to land one

              Could pick shots from mid joe was more close range

              Dwight didnt take rounds to transform many know joe was a slow starter and needed rounds to be in his zone for his defense to be at its best dwight didnt need rounds

              dwight at his best which is the lw ver is way better then joe ever should

              Joe was known to be hurt sudden with counters cause of his flaw of needing rounds to heat up dwight never was dropped in 1st or in danger from 1st from a big counter

              Dwight gave a tough match to the great holy I consider holy the best all around boxer of all time I never see joe being able to give holy a tough match cause of his flaws he would be comboied to a ko

              Even a hw dwight was better just he couldn't handle his weight had he been able to he would had won certain matches

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                #17
                Originally posted by moneytheman

                Changes like less head movement it made it harder to uppercut him

                Added delays to his head movement which threw the person off

                Came in and out with joe he would take mutiple punches to land one

                Could pick shots from mid joe was more close range

                Dwight didnt take rounds to transform many know joe was a slow starter and needed rounds to be in his zone for his defense to be at its best dwight didnt need rounds

                dwight at his best which is the lw ver is way better then joe ever should

                Joe was known to be hurt sudden with counters cause of his flaw of needing rounds to heat up dwight never was dropped in 1st or in danger from 1st from a big counter

                Dwight gave a tough match to the great holy I consider holy the best all around boxer of all time I never see joe being able to give holy a tough match cause of his flaws he would be comboied to a ko

                Even a hw dwight was better just he couldn't handle his weight had he been able to he would had won certain matches
                - - Top boxer/puncher Spinks shut out Qawi so badly he had to jump to the nascent cruiser division where he was able to put Field in the ICU fighting for his life.

                Joe obliterates all U boytoys.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by QueensburyRules

                  - - Top boxer/puncher Spinks shut out Qawi so badly he had to jump to the nascent cruiser division where he was able to put Field in the ICU fighting for his life.

                  Joe obliterates all U boytoys.
                  Emphasis on "top boxer"

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by QueensburyRules

                    - - Top boxer/puncher Spinks shut out Qawi so badly he had to jump to the nascent cruiser division where he was able to put Field in the ICU fighting for his life.

                    Joe obliterates all U boytoys.
                    Has nothing to do with what I said and no joe wouldnt troll

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by moneytheman

                      Changes like less head movement it made it harder to uppercut him

                      Added delays to his head movement which threw the person off

                      Came in and out with joe he would take mutiple punches to land one

                      Could pick shots from mid joe was more close range

                      Dwight didnt take rounds to transform many know joe was a slow starter and needed rounds to be in his zone for his defense to be at its best dwight didnt need rounds

                      dwight at his best which is the lw ver is way better then joe ever should

                      Joe was known to be hurt sudden with counters cause of his flaw of needing rounds to heat up dwight never was dropped in 1st or in danger from 1st from a big counter

                      Dwight gave a tough match to the great holy I consider holy the best all around boxer of all time I never see joe being able to give holy a tough match cause of his flaws he would be comboied to a ko

                      Even a hw dwight was better just he couldn't handle his weight had he been able to he would had won certain matches
                      How exactly does less head movement make it harder to uppercut someone?

                      Added delays to head movement throws a person off?

                      What???

                      You don't know shiat about Frazier.... I don't care if you like, or hate the guy's style, think he is the best, or worse ever... you simply do not know shiat about the guy and BS through crap that you make up.

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