What is your opinion of Lennox Lewis?

[Toney616]

Over 90% of the ATGs lost to another fighter and was never able to recover, Lennox is one of the elite few who defeated everyone he ever faced, and considering the huge guys he fought and their variety of skill sets, he has a decent chance beating the majority of ATGs.

Lewis is a huge guy himself, the hw divison he fought in wasnt exactly deep either. He should of given Vitali and Mercer a rematch as well, I scored his first fight with Mercer a draw.

[frankenfrank]

Drug test was done, as it is for every fight and it came out negative. Mccal was frustrated after round 2 because Lennox wasnt lunging in like he did in their first fight and mccall tried to imitate the rope-a-dope to lure him in. Mccall basically quit when he realized he couldnt win just like Akinwande would do to Lennox a couple of years later.

I guess I forgot , maybe McCall was clean but he had rehabilitation difficulties and therefore not in shape to continue. You should reckon that it is unusual from a fighter , let alone an outstanding one like McCall to cry and stop fighting during a fight , something was wrong with him , he just came off rehabilitation and was still addicted to crack and was in a craze/frenzy .

[Joeyzagz]

I guess I forgot , maybe McCall was clean but he had rehabilitation difficulties and therefore not in shape to continue. You should reckon that it is unusual from a fighter , let alone an outstanding one like McCall to cry and stop fighting during a fight , something was wrong with him , he just came off rehabilitation and was still addicted to crack and was in a craze/frenzy .

Watch the first two rounds of that fight and you will see the EXACT same Mccall as the one in the first fight. Same aggression, same punches same everything...Mccall was pressing the ko in the 2nd round and FAILED.

The difference was Lennox. Lennox looked focused, Lennox was working the jab, and their was no fear in his eyes. Caution yes, but no fear.

Mccall panicked when he realized he couldnt beat Lennox a second time, and that triggered the nervous breakdown. Strange behavior is very common in boxing and you will see it with Lewis/Akinwande, Tyson/Golota and in several Cintron fights.

[frankenfrank]

Watch the first two rounds of that fight and you will see the EXACT same Mccall as the one in the first fight. Same aggression, same punches same everything...Mccall was pressing the ko in the 2nd round and FAILED.

The difference was Lennox. Lennox looked focused, Lennox was working the jab, and their was no fear in his eyes. Caution yes, but no fear.

Mccall panicked when he realized he couldnt beat Lennox a second time, and that triggered the nervous breakdown. Strange behavior is very common in boxing and you will see it with Lewis/Akinwande, Tyson/Golota and in several Cintron fights.

It is well known that McCall was coming through rehabilitation from crack .
Lewis knew that as well as he knew his physical advantages over McCall and the fact Steward was in his side that time and who knows what more and therefore had no reason to fear . He also did not fear in their first fight , did he ? so fear was not a factor so why mention it ?

[Joeyzagz]

It is well known that McCall was coming through rehabilitation from crack .
Lewis knew that as well as he knew his physical advantages over McCall and the fact Steward was in his side that time and who knows what more and therefore had no reason to fear . He also did not fear in their first fight , did he ? so fear was not a factor so why mention it ?

You just said a drug test wouldve made it an NC a couple of posts ago.

Now that you know the tests were negative you're fishing for other excuses to discredit the win....

Watch the 2nd round of the fight and tell me that Mccall isnt trying to knock the teeth out of Lennox's mouth. What you witnessed in round 4 was reality crashing down on a fluke journeyman, his drug history gave him a convenient excuse but it was not the trigger of the breakdown.

[frankenfrank]

You just said a drug test wouldve made it an NC a couple of posts ago.

Now that you know the tests were negative you're fishing for other excuses to discredit the win....

Watch the 2nd round of the fight and tell me that Mccall isnt trying to knock the teeth out of Lennox's mouth. What you witnessed in round 4 was reality crashing down on a fluke journeyman, his drug history gave him a convenient excuse but it was not the trigger of the breakdown.

If McCall was a journeyman then Lewis was a tomato can.
Not only McCall stopped Lewis , he also did better than him against Akiwande , and would have done better than him against Rahman had he met him.
Lewis fought Tyson and Holyfield only when they were shot enough for him and had to cheat in order to win against Grant.
McCall > Lewis

[sonnyboyx2]

You just said a drug test wouldve made it an NC a couple of posts ago.

Now that you know the tests were negative you're fishing for other excuses to discredit the win....

Watch the 2nd round of the fight and tell me that Mccall isnt trying to knock the teeth out of Lennox's mouth. What you witnessed in round 4 was reality crashing down on a fluke journeyman, his drug history gave him a convenient excuse but it was not the trigger of the breakdown.

McCall vs Lewis (1) -- McCall had been in training camp for over 6 months and had not touched drugs, alchohol or women in that time, Manny Stewart, Eddie Mustapha Muhammad & Greg Page had McCall in fantastic shape for Lewis and they was 100% confident that McCall would KO Lewis.

McCall vs Lewis (2) -- McCall signed the fight contract inside a Drug - Rehabiliation Centre, he was released from the rehab only days before fight night and entered the ring with virtually no training for the fight as well as in a terrible mental state of mind, McCall did not have Stewart, Mustapha or Page in his corner they was replaced by a "Drug-Councillor, McCall suffered the mental breakdown because he was in no fit state to be fighting for the championship of the world... "The fight was a Farce!

Lennox Lewis would never ever have accepted a return fight with McCall if it was not for the fact that Lewis knew McCall was in a drug-rehab and in no physical or mental condition to be fighting....

For you to claim that :

"Watch the first two rounds of that fight and you will see the EXACT same Mccall as the one in the first fight. Same aggression, same punches same everything...Mccall was pressing the ko in the 2nd round and FAILED."
is ridiculous and once again shows that you are a Nuthugger of the very highest calibre, not a single boxing reporter worldwide would go along with your above analysis, your posts about Lewis are getting more laughable by the day and you are now turning this topic into a nursery rhymn, next you will be telling us that there is fairies at the bottom of your garden.

[T.Horton]

4x champ fought bowe 3x (Peak bowe 1x)fought tyson 2x(not peak tyson but light years ahead of the one lewis fought and holyfield wasnt near peak anyway)fought lewis 2x (as an old man and won the 2nd av seen loads he wins comfortable in my eyes)who did lewis fight peak??2x holyfield no, 1x tyson lol no worst condition ever,holyfield never kod by a bum aka mcall n rahman when in peak,holyfield was not heavyweight according to all these experts he was older than lewis and miles lighter and still achieved more in his boxing carear also a beleive holyfield had a better resume than lewis foreman holmes old or not are on it and are names ,plus fighting tyson 2x and bowe 3x makes it look a hell of a lot better he fought the BEST miles more than lewis.

Bump - just want to bump this so I can respond to it later.

To start though, how can you possibly compare Holyfields won/loss record to Lewis' at heavyweight?

I'll post for real in a couple of hours.

[Stallone60]

He rates behind Tyson and Holyfield for me, but in front of Rid**** Bowe. Bowe was probably better than all of them, but he wasted his career.

All these guys are ATG Heavyweights regardless however.

I agree Lewis rates behind Tyson and Holyfield. Lewis was a good fighter but a boring fighter. He never really fought anyone in there prime. When he beat tyson he was shot and when he fought holyfield he wasnt the fighter he used to be when he first won the title of douglas. Frank Bruno gave him a really good fight back in the early 90's and if he had a better engine i think big franko could of taken him. McCall ko'd him and so did Rahman two men that we not great fighters. To me he should of fought Holyfield in the early 90's to be a real world champion instead he fought Razor Ruddock who was shot buy this time after he had two hard fights with tyson. The Bowe fight should of happen for the title. To me he cleared the divison up in the late 90's when there were nobody left who had a chance. And retired when he was losing on points to Vitali and the fight was stopped on cuts. No rematch was given because lewis new Vitali had his number. Lewis was a champion but long behind Tyson who would of creamed him the the late 80's and if he didnt go to jail in the ealy 90's by ko.

[Toney616]

McCall vs Lewis (2) -- McCall signed the fight contract inside a Drug - Rehabiliation Centre, he was released from the rehab only days before fight night and entered the ring with virtually no training for the fight as well as in a terrible mental state of mind, McCall did not have Stewart, Mustapha or Page in his corner they was replaced by a "Drug-Councillor, McCall suffered the mental breakdown because he was in no fit state to be fighting for the championship of the world... "The fight was a Farce!
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''We were both disgusted,'' Steward said. ''George was totally frustrated. He said that a guy in his mental condition shouldn't have been fighting. I never realized there were problems before the fight. That was news to me.''

McCall, who has a well-documented history of alcohol and drug problems, was arrested in December in Nashville on charges of vandalism, disorderly conduct and resisting arrest after a dispute at a hotel bar. He was also arrested twice last summer on drug possession charges.

But McCall said she had also recommended that he see a psychiatrist, and he conceded he needed psychiatric help.

McCall's manager, Jimmy Adams, said that he would send the fighter to a rehabilitation center in Nashville. Prefight drug tests were negative for McCall. Post-fight results are expected tomorrow.

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/02/09/sp...e-actions.html

McCalls purse was placed in escrow in a New Jersey bank pending the Nevada State Athletic Commission hearing to determine what fine and suspension should be imposed against the beleaguered Chicago heavyweight. McCall has been in a mental hospital at Martinsville, VA, since March after his wife obtained an emergency custody order against the fighter whose abnormal behavior continued unabated., Marc Ratner, the NSACs executive director, said McCall voluntarily agreed to a one-year suspension and a record $250,000 fine prior to a hearing originally scheduled for April 25. Main Events Dino Duva requested a postponement until June 11.

http://ringtalk.com/revisiting-olive...akdown-in-ring

If it sounds as if McCall needed psychological help, he had already sought it and was, in fact, undergoing treatment.

“I told the psychologist, `I can’t handle this. I need to get out of here. If I’m crazy, please let me know. People are playing games with me, real wicked games.

“The psychologist said, `No, you’re not crazy. But you got to learn to get past this. You got to be strong.’ I told him if they kept playing those games with me, there would come a time in the fight when I’d stop fighting and not throw no punches.”

http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxin...ke-thinks-was/