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  • sonnyboyx2
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    #21
    Originally posted by r.burgundy
    patterson,robinson,charles,walcott are modern fighters though.

    but to humor
    ali
    wlad
    tyson
    mayweather jr
    james toney
    roy jr
    whitaker

    are of equal to greater skill than anybody you listed
    Muhammad Ali - was 45yrs ago when at his best
    Wlad - dont make me laugh, Johnson & Dempsey slaughter him.
    Tyson - Louis, Dempsey, Johnson etc all rank higher
    Floyd Jr.- dozens could beat him
    Toney - would only be a fringe contender in the 40, 50s
    Jones jr - Charles, Robinson & many more beat Roy
    Whitaker - Pep, Sadler, Griffith & many more beat Pernell

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    • r.burgundy
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      #22
      Originally posted by sonnyboyx2
      Muhammad Ali - was 45yrs ago when at his best
      Wlad - dont make me laugh, Johnson & Dempsey slaughter him.
      Tyson - Louis, Dempsey, Johnson etc all rank higher
      Floyd Jr.- dozens could beat him
      Toney - would only be a fringe contender in the 40, 50s
      Jones jr - Charles, Robinson & many more beat Roy
      Whitaker - Pep, Sadler, Griffith & many more beat Pernell
      wlad under steward has turned into the most dominant heavy since tyson,and dempsey or johnson wouldnt stand a chance.dempsey is a joke as ali has pointed out.just a media invention.and even if you want to say those guys beat him,wlad is still incredibly skilled,as along with the rest of the list

      and at 130-135,absolutely nobody beats floyd

      theres no such thing as an unbeatable fighter.charles or robinson wouldnt have a snowballs chance in hell of beating jones nor would pep or saddler beat pernell

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      • NChristo
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        #23
        Originally posted by r.burgundy
        and at 130-135,absolutely nobody beats floyd

        theres no such thing as an unbeatable fighter.
        You just contradicted yourself 1 sentence after the other, anyway I'd give Alexis Arguello a chance against Floyd at 130.

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        • r.burgundy
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          #24
          Originally posted by NChristo
          You just contradicted yourself 1 sentence after the other, anyway I'd give Alexis Arguello a chance against Floyd at 130.
          really lol

          arguello would get shredded corrales style

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            #25
            Originally posted by r.burgundy
            really lol

            arguello would get shredded corrales style
            Why ? was Arguello such a great mouthguard spitter ?

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              #26
              Originally posted by sonnyboyx2
              Muhammad Ali - was 45yrs ago when at his best
              Wlad - dont make me laugh, Johnson & Dempsey slaughter him.
              Tyson - Louis, Dempsey, Johnson etc all rank higher
              Floyd Jr.- dozens could beat him
              Toney - would only be a fringe contender in the 40, 50s
              Jones jr - Charles, Robinson & many more beat Roy
              Whitaker - Pep, Sadler, Griffith & many more beat Pernell
              A typical horrible post. perfectly wrong as usual .

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              • Suckmedry
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                #27
                Originally posted by sonnyboyx2
                they was vastly more skilled back then than they are today, Vitali Klitschko is very under-skilled and would lose to a guy like Jess Willard or Primo Carnera or Max Baer.. Vitali just does not have the boxing skills or ability to beat any of those guys yet he is regarded as the No1 heavyweight in the world today.. the vast majority of fighters who Vitali defends his title against are Class D fighters who would never be rated in the top 100 of any other era of this sport... the same can be applied to most of todays fighters, if Floyd Mayweather was to fight say Emile Griffith he would be destroyed quickly and easily by the far better Griffith, there are dozens of fighters from other era`s who would beat the likes of Vitali & Floyd because they was far greater at boxing ability
                Being biased towards past eras is equally as ignorant as being biased towards todays era.

                Do you really think Griffith would "destroy" Floyd? I see that as a good fight

                Jess Willard or Carnera beat Vitali? I am no big fan of Vitali, but Carnera (while tough) was largely handled by the mob and pretty much was piggybacked to the world title with fixed fight.

                Willard needs no explanation, he was a not a great fighter at all. Not even that good.

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                • Suckmedry
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                  #28
                  The guy who wrote that cox corner article needs to wake up and get off the nostalgia bull****. He seems to think fighters back in the day fought at the rate they did because of some innate toughness exclusive to their era. They did it to get paid good money and support themselves/family. If Benny Leonard got paid 20 million to fight whoever, he wouldn't have been in the ring again three days later or whatever it was.

                  Pay packets have increased, thus decreasing the need to fight so often. That is how it is.

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                  • Spartacus Sully
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by One more round
                    Being biased towards past eras is equally as ignorant as being biased towards todays era.

                    Do you really think Griffith would "destroy" Floyd? I see that as a good fight

                    Jess Willard or Carnera beat Vitali? I am no big fan of Vitali, but Carnera (while tough) was largely handled by the mob and pretty much was piggybacked to the world title with fixed fight.

                    Willard needs no explanation, he was a not a great fighter at all. Not even that good.
                    Willard was a man harder then most men, and for a man who lasted 26 rounds to beat johnson with a single punch id give him just as much a chance to beat vitali as vitali to beat him if not better.

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                    • sonnyboyx2
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by One more round
                      Being biased towards past eras is equally as ignorant as being biased towards todays era.

                      Do you really think Griffith would "destroy" Floyd? I see that as a good fight

                      Jess Willard or Carnera beat Vitali? I am no big fan of Vitali, but Carnera (while tough) was largely handled by the mob and pretty much was piggybacked to the world title with fixed fight.

                      Willard needs no explanation, he was a not a great fighter at all. Not even that good.
                      yes Emile Griffith would take apart Floyd Mayweather Jr. in fact it would be an easy fight for Griffith... i suggest you watch Willard vs Jack Johnson, Frank Moran and more so his fight with Floyd Johnson and you will see just how good and skilled Willard was... Carnera had as much skill and better power than Wlad, Carnera fought the best possible opponents whereas Wlad only fights tomato cans and loses to any fighter who can pop him on the chin something Carnera & Willard would have no trouble achieving

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