I Don't Know How To Start This...

[r.burgundy]

they was vastly more skilled back then than they are today, Vitali Klitschko is very under-skilled and would lose to a guy like Jess Willard or Primo Carnera or Max Baer.. Vitali just does not have the boxing skills or ability to beat any of those guys yet he is regarded as the No1 heavyweight in the world today.. the vast majority of fighters who Vitali defends his title against are Class D fighters who would never be rated in the top 100 of any other era of this sport... the same can be applied to most of todays fighters, if Floyd Mayweather was to fight say Emile Griffith he would be destroyed quickly and easily by the far better Griffith, there are dozens of fighters from other era`s who would beat the likes of Vitali & Floyd because they was far greater at boxing ability

they werent vastly more skilled.that notion is silly.they werent more skilled at all.majority of them would hardly be useful under the stricter rules of today and also vice versa.tougher yes,skilled,no.

hypothetically,if jack johnson invented heavyweight boxing,that means that every boxer who comes after him has a foundation to build and improve on.to say that nobody has improved on johnsons foundation is plain ignorant.boxing is much more creative now.show me 1 old fight that isnt full of holding and clinching,which are tactics that are frowned on today.ive never seen a perfect fighter.most unbeatable ive ever seen was mw roy jones.

[frankenfrank]

they werent vastly more skilled.that notion is silly.they werent more skilled at all.majority of them would hardly be useful under the stricter rules of today and also vice versa.tougher yes,skilled,no.

hypothetically,if jack johnson invented heavyweight boxing,that means that every boxer who comes after him has a foundation to build and improve on.to say that nobody has improved on johnsons foundation is plain ignorant.boxing is much more creative now.show me 1 old fight that isnt full of holding and clinching,which are tactics that are frowned on today.ive never seen a perfect fighter.most unbeatable ive ever seen was mw roy jones.

By whom ? look at Ruiz , Hopkins and really a big part of the fighters to less extent. Watch McCallum-Jackson , Quarry-Shavers , and as you know Ali , Holmes , Wlad and Lewis. Almost everyone use clinching and holding today and then. Many fans actually appreciate it instead of frowning.

[r.burgundy]

By whom ? look at Ruiz , Hopkins and really a big part of the fighters to less extent. Watch McCallum-Jackson , Quarry-Shavers , and as you know Ali , Holmes , Wlad and Lewis. Almost everyone use clinching and holding today and then. Many fans actually appreciate it instead of frowning.

and who the hell actually gives ruiz props.people like norman stone more than ruiz.hopkins didnt start clinching till much later in his career.wlad hardly ever clinches nowadays as he just boxes from the outside.clinching and holding was excessive in those days,its not even comparable to modern times

[sonnyboyx2]

they werent vastly more skilled.that notion is silly.they werent more skilled at all.majority of them would hardly be useful under the stricter rules of today and also vice versa.tougher yes,skilled,no.

hypothetically,if jack johnson invented heavyweight boxing,that means that every boxer who comes after him has a foundation to build and improve on.to say that nobody has improved on johnsons foundation is plain ignorant.boxing is much more creative now.show me 1 old fight that isnt full of holding and clinching,which are tactics that are frowned on today.ive never seen a perfect fighter.most unbeatable ive ever seen was mw roy jones.

name me some of todays fighters who are more skilled than:
Floyd Patterson
Ray Robinson
Ezzard Charles
Jersey Joe Walcott
Benny Leonard
Gene Tunney
Emile Griffith
Willie Pep

[musiol]

name me some of todays fighters who are more skilled than:
Floyd Patterson
Ray Robinson
Ezzard Charles
Jersey Joe Walcott
Benny Leonard
Gene Tunney
Emile Griffith
Willie Pep

jones jnr
mayweather
hopkins
packman

would all give anyone problems in their weight classes of any era

[TheGreatA]

For real...Ray Robinson was a guy who straight up said "I never enjoyed boxing, it's just a business for me". He was notoriously shrewd at the negotiating table and fought for every last cent, even threatening to pull out of a fight 20 minutes before he was to enter the ring because he found out the fight was being broadcast overseas and he wasn't going to get paid for the rights to that. With this mentality, would Robinson fight 15 times per year right now if he was the best in the sport? Of course not.

I think he would still be very active. Robinson actually made enough money not to fight as often as he did, and he did start picking and choosing fights in his late 30's. However he thought it was detrimental for a fighter to stay inactive. He didn't get paid much for a lot of the fights he had against second raters, but he felt fighting every month would keep his skills sharp. When it came to fights against top ranked opponents though, you had better pay him or there would be no fight.

It's still possible for today's fighters to fight as actively as the old timers, for example Shannon Briggs just fought 3 times in a month, but those were untelevised bouts against lesser opponents. It's no longer possible to get big fights each month. You have boxers like Dawson and Cloud who fight about once a year, so there's really no way for a light heavyweight who wants to fight 12 times a year to get more than 2 or 3 meaningful fights. There are only 2 TV channels in the US that can afford paying for big fights and those are not about to broadcast boxing every weekend unless the sport gets very popular again.

[r.burgundy]

name me some of todays fighters who are more skilled than:
Floyd Patterson
Ray Robinson
Ezzard Charles
Jersey Joe Walcott
Benny Leonard
Gene Tunney
Emile Griffith
Willie Pep

patterson,robinson,charles,walcott are modern fighters though.

but to humor
ali
wlad
tyson
mayweather jr
james toney
roy jr
whitaker

are of equal to greater skill than anybody you listed

[TheGreatA]

patterson,robinson,charles,walcott are modern fighters though.

but to humor
ali
wlad
tyson
mayweather jr
james toney
roy jr
whitaker

are of equal to greater skill than anybody you listed

It depends entirely on what you consider "modern". Walcott learned his trade in the 1930's, which was 80 years ago, but I doubt he would be outmatched by today's 190 lbers. Jersey Joe Walcott vs Marco Huck?

[r.burgundy]

It depends entirely on what you consider "modern". Walcott learned his trade in the 1930's, which was 80 years ago, but I doubt he would be outmatched by today's 190 lbers. Jersey Joe Walcott vs Marco Huck?

right about walcott.i forget he started that early.i call him modern cause he fought in the 50's.im confident he could take huck,but what evander or mormeck?

[TheGreatA]

right about walcott.i forget he started that early.i call him modern cause he fought in the 50's.im confident he could take huck,but what evander or mormeck?

Prime Evander would be difficult for Walcott but Mormeck tends to run out of gas after 6 rounds. His aggressive style would also leave him open for counter punches, which suits Walcott fine.