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  • #11
    Originally posted by Rolling Stone View Post
    you're post made no sense at all......when did i deny Pacquiao's greatness??? TS asked for ATG's with poor resume's and i gave my pick....
    you claim he is not a Top 5 fighter.
    you claim he has a poor resume.
    you claim he never won 7 world titles.
    anything you can say to discredit the guy you will, to claim Pacquiao has a poor resume as your No1 choice is nothing other than `Hating`... Pacquiao has victories on his resume over:
    Hatton
    Cotto
    Marquez
    Morales (twice)
    DeLahoya
    Diaz
    Barrera (twice)
    Clottey
    Larios
    Ledwaba
    Solis

    yet you call it a "Poor Resume" beating 6 men who was in the P4P rankings for nearly a decade... you need to explain to me and other members, What your thinking is to claim Manny Pacquiao has such a poor resume in your eyes.

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    • #12
      Eder Jofre, Ricardo Lopez. Not necessarily "poor" resumes but certainly not as outstanding as they were as fighters.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by sonnyboyx2 View Post
        you claim he is not a Top 5 fighter.
        you claim he has a poor resume.
        you claim he never won 7 world titles.
        anything you can say to discredit the guy you will, to claim Pacquiao has a poor resume as your No1 choice is nothing other than `Hating`... Pacquiao has victories on his resume over:
        Hatton
        Cotto
        Marquez
        Morales (twice)
        DeLahoya
        Diaz
        Barrera (twice)
        Clottey
        Larios
        Ledwaba
        Solis

        yet you call it a "Poor Resume" beating 6 men who was in the P4P rankings for nearly a decade... you need to explain to me and other members, What your thinking is to claim Manny Pacquiao has such a poor resume in your eyes.
        you just won't quit mate....relax mate, i'm not Adam Corolla

        first of all.....i'm entitled to my opinion and you can't impose you're views on me

        Manny Pacquiao is Not a Top 5 All Time P4P Fighter, he barely makes the Top 25.

        7 world titles in 7 weight divisions in an era with 4 belts plus the ring and lineal title in 17 weightclasses is hardly an achievement to be comparing to that of Armstrong.

        Pacquiao lost to Morales the 1st time arouund and then twice beat the version of Morales who lost to Zaheer Raheem and had been in brutal wars with Barrera

        The 1st fight with Barrera was a Barrera close to his prime but the 2nd fight was against a shot Barrera who was a shell of his former self

        David Diaz was nothing but a C Class fighter and anyone who argues otherwise doesn't know jack about boxing and is a Pacquiao nutthugger...Pacquiao ducked Joel Casamayor at lightweight who would've been the tougher opponent and opted to fight Diaz instead

        Marquez managed to salvage a draw after being knocked down 3 times in their 1st fight and many boxing observers had Marquez winning their rematch so hardly anything to crowe about

        De La Hoya was a past prime, shot fighter who hadn't fought at 147 in 7 years and was a dead man when Pacquiao fought him......Ricky Hatton was never the same after Mayewather cleaned his clock and is possibly the decades most overrated fighter who's biggest win was against a past prime Kosta.....sure he was the ring champ at junior-welter but the tougher opponent would've been Bradley

        Miguel Cotto was forced to put his welterweight title on the line at a catchweight of 145 and had already suffered a brutal beatdown by a suspect Margarito.....Joshua Clottey was another come-forward, no lateral movement fighter on Pac's resume who wasn't even considered a Top 4 welter and is hardly anything special on an ATG's resume

        these are my opinions and i'm entitled to them whatever you want to say....i've said enough in this topic good day
        Last edited by Rolling Stone; 04-16-2010, 07:08 AM.

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        • #14
          bernard hopkins springs to mind.

          the american press bias towards b-hop really pisses me off, and his career has been way overrated imo. he is no top 50 ATG imo. all of his biggest victories have come against guys fighting way above their natural weights (trinidad, pavlik and de la hoya), overrated hype-jobs (pavlik), and guys way past their prime (jones, tarver, winky).

          he has been an awesome fighter but he is not in the same league as the ATGs of the middleweight division imo. he deserves a ton of credit for adapting his style to his advancing age, but really he hasnt ever beat any great fighter where the deck hasnt been heavily stacked in his favour. even the pavlik fight was at light-heavyweight, way heavier than pavlik had ever fought at before.

          also, since the pavlik fight, he has made a point of running away from genuine light heavyweight competition like chad dawson. this would be ok, the guy was 44 after all, were it not for him still running his mouth about being an elite fighter at light heavyweight. somehow, throughout all of this time, he has maintained his place in the p4p rankings, something i can only put down to media bias.

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          • #15
            Hopkins better wins have come when he was well past his prime and above his best fighting weight.I won't discredit his wins over Pavlik,Wright and De La Hoya because he really was well past it when he beat them.


            What people forget is that he actually fought De La Hoya just two pounds above 154.De La Hoya looked slow,sluggish and ill prepared against felix Sturm at 160,but he looked in shape against Hopkins and there's no doubt he trained like hell for that fight.


            Hopkins has a weak middleweight resume but a good,hall of fame resume overall.



            My pick would be Joe frazier.Now I don't regard "smokey" as an ATG but there are the select few who do.

            His claim to fame is beating a guy as rusty as an old warehouse bucket,who had fought just eighteen rounds in four years.He was later beaten twice decisively by that same man who never got any better as he aged.


            frazier's two biggest wins are over guys coming off a long layoff.


            frazier was also an inactive fighter,cherry picking opposition that he could look against while avoiding virtually every puncher that entered the top ten rankings.
            Last edited by Snopkins; 04-17-2010, 01:07 PM.

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            • #16
              i didnt mean to imply that b-hop wasnt HOF, he is definately HOF. for me though, his HOF inclusion is not based on his resume. rather it is based upon his extraordinary longevity and continuous technical improvements. what he did to pavlik, mitigating circumstances or not, was really one of the most surpsrising things that i have seen in boxing...

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              • #17
                [QUOTE=JAB5239;8101431]
                Originally posted by r.burgundy View Post
                [/B]

                Not great, but solid. Far from poor. Besides Mosley and Quartey he got nearly everyone else at 147. Beat the two best fighters at 154 and went 1-1 against the two to middleweights. I don't even like Tito that much, but thats pretty damn good these days.

                edit - He also missed Vernon Forrest.
                who was the other top mw?was it joppy?yeah but at 47 missing quartey and shane is alotta unfinished buisness.his resume isnt poor but its not in the upper echelon

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                • #18
                  [QUOTE=r.burgundy;8106926]
                  Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post

                  who was the other top mw?was it joppy?yeah but at 47 missing quartey and shane is alotta unfinished buisness.his resume isnt poor but its not in the upper echelon
                  Yes, it was Joppy.

                  In his defense Tito was already leaving 147 at the time Shane was moving up, but he had plenty of time to make the Quartey fight imo.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by r.burgundy View Post
                    tyson,holmes,trinidad
                    Tito? Are you serious?

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                    • #20
                      2 problems with responses in this thread:

                      1) Many people clearly don't know what a poor resume is.
                      2) Those who do know what a poor resume is, name fighters with them that aren't even ATGs in a p4p sense.

                      Anyways, here's a true ATG (p4p) with a poor resume:

                      Rocky Marciano

                      49-0, but 85% of the wins came against who exactly? And none of his legit top rated opponents were elite at the time he fought them.
                      Last edited by Obama; 04-16-2010, 08:47 PM.

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