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[QueensburyRules]

I did say directly that it was after the Moore fight.

Yes the press made the call and The Ring Magazine at that time had a powerful voice.

Yes there was a consensus, everyone bought into Patterson being the HW Champion.

It's why there was no hesitation to claim Patterson as the first fighter to regain the title after losing it; why everyone always referred to him as the youngest HW Champion.

I'm sorry but I think you are alone in your assessment; my mother was a Patterson fan, and wasn't even a boxing fan. But she told Patterson was the champion and you wouldn't call my mother liar, would you?

Media recognition has always been part of identifying the lineal Champion and unless you can show me press resistance to Patterson being called HW Champion I am going to call, just as the media did at the time, the Moore-Patterson fight as the eliminator that crowned Patterson

Do you hold the Sharkey- Schmeling fiasco in the same contempt?

The press didn't, there was a consensus that Der Max was champion and he was awarded the damn title sitting on his stool refusing to fight. Why would the press deny Patterson?

I said before, at times it is difficult to identify the lineal champ, at times it has to be manufactured, but with Spinks it was clear and accepted as such, except by those who could gain from denying him, e.g HBO, the scantioning bodies (and I guess you.)

Did you back in 1990 deny that Spinks was lineal champ?

P.S. If Spinks wasn't recognized as the lienal champion why did everyone (including Tyson) want the fight?

- - Media and Ring don't speak for me then and now.

Never questioned Spinks Lineal claim. It too was based on Playdough Silly Putty logic as well, but I tire of always beating up on Tubby Lar when nothing can stop the Koolaide slurpers from partaking Koolaide given to them by Ring.